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The victim, who was charged and jailed, did follow NY legal protocol in trying to deescalate the situation. He stood up and moved toward the exit. At that time, the perp escalated his attack, which caused the victim of the attack to use self-defense with a box cutter he had from his shop.
I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.
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A clear viewing is available to anyone. It’s clearly self-defense.
Says you. Prosecutors don't use terms like 'clearly'. You don't show an understanding of the parameters of self-defense.
The owner was backed into a corner and was being violently assaulted by two people.
That's not accurate.
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The woman stabbed him and the man was obviously going to at the very least beat him to death.
You can't claim self-defense based on what someone is going to do.
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You said earlier that you have traveled around and given professional style lectures on the use of lethal force.
Close, but what I did was different.
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So one "professional" to another I have to wonder at what it is you're teaching folks. That you are questioning the viability of a self defense situation here leaves me a tad aghast.
Well, I know the legal parameters of the claim.
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The guy should never have been arrested. A good judge would advise him to get a civil action going against the DA.
You stab an unarmed man to death and you have some 'splainin' to do.
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The owner was walking pretty good? And that has bearing how? Exactly?
Someone claimed he had been stabbed. It sure didn't look like it.
Nope. He was just yelling. That's not life or death.
I have a large store of legal knowledge and common sense.
I just watched the video again. You didn’t see the bodega guy try to get out and the young man pushed him in the corner? If you feel he should have a duty to get away, well, he tried to but couldn’t.
If a DA in Florida had come up with this murder charge, Governor Ron DeSantis himself would driven to the jail, demanded the key, and let the guy out himself.
I just watched the video again. You didn’t see the bodega guy try to get out and the young man pushed him in the corner? If you feel he should have a duty to get away, well, he tried to but couldn’t.
The victim, who was charged and jailed, did follow NY legal protocol in trying to deescalate the situation. He stood up and moved toward the exit. At that time, the perp escalated his attack, which caused the victim of the attack to use self-defense with a box cutter he had from his shop.
I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.
toodie is not confused as to who the victim is. He is the man who was attacked and who defended himself and who was subsequently charged and thrown behind bars.
Have you even seen the video footage from the security cam?
And the biggest aspect of self-defense is running away; NOT using deadly force. In the face of deadly force a person is privileged to use deadly force to defend him or herself. That's where the privilege comes in.
The problem being that the first person to use deadly force usually wins.
If someone threatens me, best be prepared for me to go nuclear. If they convict me, they better hope I never get out.
Alvin Bragg is a garbage racist and anyone who thinks this was not self defense has a similar agenda ... period.
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