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He could not lecture here in Missouri either. You do not have to retreat. The law states "you may use deadly force if YOU deem it necessary".
NV has no duty to retreat either. So such lectures as we're speaking of would not have any audience here. I was taught that if you need to actually draw your firearm diplomacy has failed and someone is getting shot. Probably killed. I taught my students the same thing. If you draw it use it. Do NOT brandish and do NOT fire warning shots. Put every round center mass (or if you're confident enough between the eyes) until the threat is neutralized. Meaning he's down and not getting back up.
Classroom time was on law and duties. One thing that I made sure my students understood that if you have chosen to carry you must become a very humble and non threatening person. Somebody is calling you names or wolf whistling your girl as you're walking down the street you let it roll off and ignore it. Do NOT engage. If it gets left at that no harm done. Now if some cretin(s) decide to follow you surround you or if they lay a hand on you or especially your lady after all attempts to just move on have failed...it's time to act. And act decisively.
If you're confident you don't need to draw and you can handle it hand to hand then by all means do so. But for my elderly disabled o otherwise not any physical threat students I taught go for the gun. Being disabled myself I know you don't ty to take on some man mountain or a pack of street coyotes bare handed. You will lose and probably die. So draw take aim and fire.
No judge in N NV is going to throw the book at a disabled elderly or just physically weak person for defending themselves with a firearm even if their attacker(s) were not armed themselves. Bare hands and boots can kill as easy as a knife or gun. Shoot them/that sumbitch(s!)
The victim, who was charged and jailed, did follow NY legal protocol in trying to deescalate the situation. He stood up and moved toward the exit. At that time, the perp escalated his attack, which caused the victim of the attack to use self-defense with a box cutter he had from his shop.
I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.
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A clear viewing is available to anyone. It’s clearly self-defense.
Says you. Prosecutors don't use terms like 'clearly'. You don't show an understanding of the parameters of self-defense.
The owner was backed into a corner and was being violently assaulted by two people.
That's not accurate.
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The woman stabbed him and the man was obviously going to at the very least beat him to death.
You can't claim self-defense based on what someone is going to do.
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You said earlier that you have traveled around and given professional style lectures on the use of lethal force.
Close, but what I did was different.
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So one "professional" to another I have to wonder at what it is you're teaching folks. That you are questioning the viability of a self defense situation here leaves me a tad aghast.
Well, I know the legal parameters of the claim.
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The guy should never have been arrested. A good judge would advise him to get a civil action going against the DA.
You stab an unarmed man to death and you have some 'splainin' to do.
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The owner was walking pretty good? And that has bearing how? Exactly?
Someone claimed he had been stabbed. It sure didn't look like it.
Nope. He was just yelling. That's not life or death.
I have a large store of legal knowledge and common sense.
I just watched the video again. You didn’t see the bodega guy try to get out and the young man pushed him in the corner? If you feel he should have a duty to get away, well, he tried to but couldn’t.
If a DA in Florida had come up with this murder charge, Governor Ron DeSantis himself would driven to the jail, demanded the key, and let the guy out himself.
I just watched the video again. You didn’t see the bodega guy try to get out and the young man pushed him in the corner? If you feel he should have a duty to get away, well, he tried to but couldn’t.
The victim, who was charged and jailed, did follow NY legal protocol in trying to deescalate the situation. He stood up and moved toward the exit. At that time, the perp escalated his attack, which caused the victim of the attack to use self-defense with a box cutter he had from his shop.
I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.
toodie is not confused as to who the victim is. He is the man who was attacked and who defended himself and who was subsequently charged and thrown behind bars.
Have you even seen the video footage from the security cam?
And the biggest aspect of self-defense is running away; NOT using deadly force. In the face of deadly force a person is privileged to use deadly force to defend him or herself. That's where the privilege comes in.
The problem being that the first person to use deadly force usually wins.
If someone threatens me, best be prepared for me to go nuclear. If they convict me, they better hope I never get out.
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