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Old 07-11-2022, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I'm showing people that they don't understand self-defense.
Perhaps you need show yourself what law permits you to go behind the counter of a bodega over unpaid potato chips?

What part of "authorized personnel only" or "employees only" don't you understand?
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Old 07-11-2022, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Sandusky, Ohio
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Alvin Bragg is a garbage racist and anyone who thinks this was not self defense has a similar agenda ... period.
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Old 07-12-2022, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Sammamish, WA
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Hopefully the Bodega worker pleads not guilty and a jury finds him not guilty.
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Old 07-12-2022, 05:43 AM
 
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I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.


Says you. Prosecutors don't use terms like 'clearly'. You don't show an understanding of the parameters of self-defense.
Self defense laws vary by state. In Missouri, you may defend yourself your family, your property, your neighbor and their property with deadly force if YOU deem it necessary.
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Old 07-12-2022, 05:45 AM
 
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Actually, no. If someone yells at you, you are supposed to yell back, not raise the ante.

I have lectured on the parameters of self-defense for more than 40 years and I have found that few people understand the limits of the privilege. Why turn this into a racial incident? Folks should move away from that knee-jerk stuff.

Is there any evidence that race played a part in what anyone did in this case? Please leave off the coincidentals.
Interesting... what 'Limits of Privilege'.... ?

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Old 07-12-2022, 06:01 AM
 
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The bodega owner was approached by a man yelling at him. We know that later he stabbed the man to death.

Unless there is more involved, you don't get to stab someone yelling at you. Its not self-defense, which involves proportionality.
I guess the video you saw edited out the the attacker going behind the counter, shoving the bodega man, refusing to let him leave, and grabbing him behind the neck.
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Old 07-12-2022, 06:07 AM
 
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I think you, perhaps intentionally, confuse who was the perpetrator and who was the victim.


Says you. Prosecutors don't use terms like 'clearly'. You don't show an understanding of the parameters of self-defense.
The victim was the guy who was violated when a perpetrator came into the space where he was not allowed. I don’t care whether a prosecutor uses the word “clearly” or not. I am not in that role here. And having worked in the legal system for over 30 years, I can attest that, yes, some do utter that word.

You clearly don’t understand the parameters of NY self-defense protocol. The victim, who was being intimidated, followed NY state law re self-defense by trying to leave through the exit whereupon he was followed and assaulted.

You may have given talks on self-defense, so what. In speaking of this specific matter, your words show misinformation and misinterpretation.
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Old 07-12-2022, 06:16 AM
 
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The Lady who stabbed the Bodega-worker is not being charged, and she started the whole thing, and stabbed the poor man..........how does that spell fair?!?!?!!?!?
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Old 07-12-2022, 06:19 AM
 
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Perhaps you need show yourself what law permits you to go behind the counter of a bodega over unpaid potato chips?
Is that a capital offense?
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Old 07-12-2022, 06:20 AM
 
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I guess the video you saw edited out the the attacker going behind the counter, shoving the bodega man, refusing to let him leave, and grabbing him behind the neck.
Yeah. Also left out the women saying she's going to go get her man to attack him....goes and gets man and he proceeds to go behind the counter....

They had a decent article on this on CNN this morning where they talked with a former prosecutor (or def atty) and they basically said that the DA can bring that charge but no jury is going to convict him.

Surprised posters haven't claimed the victim was 13 and the 61 year old man chased him down the street and stabbed him.

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