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Old 07-29-2022, 03:45 PM
 
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Ok retired doc, but the Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus. I'm not a conspiracy theory nut, so statements such as this beg an explanation.
Some of these pathogens take more time in determining origins. More recent genetic determinations favor the wet market. But still no direct enough evidence.

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelea...in-wuhan-china

As I've said, the definitive proof either way resides with China, and they have not released the necessary data.
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Old 07-29-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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Why do you think they care about protecting their own people?

I don't think they care much about the average citizen.
they do care about what the majority think, otherwise CCP wont stay in power for too long. through all Chinas dynasty, 90% of time the dynasty was changed due internal revolution. Just like america, CCP need to satisfy majority of chinese opinion either economy/environment or taiwan. CCP do this to stay in power too
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Old 07-29-2022, 04:00 PM
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Some of these pathogens take more time in determining origins. More recent genetic determinations favor the wet market. But still no direct enough evidence.

https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelea...in-wuhan-china

As I've said, the definitive proof either way resides with China, and they have not released the necessary data.
Interesting. But I've seen another study that says there is just nothing found in nature that could have produced the type of structures that so easily attached to humans.

The essence of this study is that there were two different strains so a lab source was unlikely. Still nothing to tie it too viruses in nature.
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Old 07-29-2022, 04:17 PM
 
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The strongest available evidence currently supports the hypothesis of an animal-human crossover in the Wuhan seafood market.

Newly published evidence points to Wuhan seafood market as pandemic origin point

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The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic

The concept of an intentional leak doesn't make a lot of sense from a variety of perspectives. Anything is possible given that humans are involved, of course, but that's probably the least likely scenario.
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Old 07-29-2022, 05:15 PM
 
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Interesting. But I've seen another study that says there is just nothing found in nature that could have produced the type of structures that so easily attached to humans.

The essence of this study is that there were two different strains so a lab source was unlikely. Still nothing to tie it too viruses in nature.
Unless you have something new, most of the 'nothing natural' stuff has been refuted.The public may never know the truth.
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Old 07-29-2022, 05:18 PM
 
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The strongest available evidence currently supports the hypothesis of an animal-human crossover in the Wuhan seafood market.

Newly published evidence points to Wuhan seafood market as pandemic origin point

Ref.:
The Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan was the early epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic

The concept of an intentional leak doesn't make a lot of sense from a variety of perspectives. Anything is possible given that humans are involved, of course, but that's probably the least likely scenario.
Intentional leak, if lab origin comes next after lab blunder. A state based planned release is least likely.

For instance in the US with our post 9/11 Anthrax scares, it was most likely intentional.
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Old 07-29-2022, 05:19 PM
 
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I guess there was a new study that supported the wet market theory.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/7/...ersity-of-utah

Right wingers aren't going to buy this, but I think that study is why this is coming up again.
If china thought this, wouldnt they have done something about the markets? Theyre horrible still.
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Old 07-29-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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If china thought this, wouldnt they have done something about the markets? Theyre horrible still.
Well chances are now any other bat coronavirus wouldn’t do much for like 100 years. Everyone is gonna have cross immunity now for a long time. The next pandemic would be influenza in all likelihood. It would be difficult to have a coronavirus pandemic for the next 100 years or so
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:13 PM
 
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Why do you think they care about protecting their own people?

I don't think they care much about the average citizen.
Then why are they locking down, sacrificing their economy, which is what we refused to do?
Why do they provide mass testing and vaccines for free to their citizens?
Why do they have far less deaths than we do?
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:56 PM
 
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China did try to protect their people with lockdowns of their cities at the start of the pandemic while allowing foreign travel by their infected to spread the virus worldwide. I guess the OP forgot about that and now can blame China for the pandemic.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...4nk6SH_gB1yjZA

I disagree that China wouldn't sacrifice their own people to send a bio-weapon to the U.S. and get rid of Trump. TRUMP would have won reelection if it wasn't for COVID and the Chinese were mad at him for raising tariffs. It's too much of a coincidence a pandemic happened right at the start of Trumps reelection year, imo.

The Democrats are sacrificing American lives by bringing in illegals who might have covid into America during a pandemic so they can stay in power, so why wouldn't China do the same thing to their people.

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