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Old 08-05-2022, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Full time in the RV
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How does the Texas law fit into this discussion? I think MO is doing something similar.

 
Old 08-05-2022, 11:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Should it be illegal to attempt to leave a state if it can be evidential you’re leaving to get an abortion?


Do you mean, should the government have the power to stop every vehicle at the state line, at every border crossing no matter how obscure, check to see if there are any women in the car/bus/truck/train/plane, give them pregnancy tests whether they want them or not, and interrogate them (possibly for hours if they are uncooperative) to find out if they are on their way to get an abortion in the neighboring state?

Why do you suggest this should possibly be done?
 
Old 08-05-2022, 12:18 PM
 
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Should it be illegal to attempt to leave a state if it can be evidential you’re leaving to get an abortion?


Do you mean, should the government have the power to stop every vehicle at the state line, at every border crossing no matter how obscure, check to see if there are any women in the car/bus/truck/train/plane, give them pregnancy tests whether they want them or not, and interrogate them (possibly for hours if they are uncooperative) to find out if they are on their way to get an abortion in the neighboring state?

Why do you suggest this should possibly be done?
Basically. Most women getting abortions are not visibly pregnant. This would be the only way to tell. Who, pray tell, is to pay for this waste of resources? And how would you know why a woman is leaving the state. Last I looked, pregnant women still travel for leisure.
 
Old 08-05-2022, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Wow...do you you really believe that abortion is that pivotal of a thing ?
It adds up. Do the math.

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If one is in a tough financial situation, one would think that would be the worst time to be irresponsible.
Why would you assume the "tough financial situation" preceded the pregnancy?

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Did you forget that these law makers work for you ? If this is that big of an issue throughout the states, changes will be made via the voting booth.
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

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This said, women who need or want to get an abortion will get it anyway, so they should be given a safe environment to do so.
And why shouldn't they be given that safe environment in their home state?
 
Old 08-05-2022, 12:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Basically. Most women getting abortions are not visibly pregnant. This would be the only way to tell. Who, pray tell, is to pay for this waste of resources? And how would you know why a woman is leaving the state. Last I looked, pregnant women still travel for leisure.
Yet the OP seems to believe there is a way to do this regulation, and so he brings it up as a debate topic, rather than shrugging it off as the ludicrous non-possibility it is.
 
Old 08-05-2022, 01:12 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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No, it should not be illegal to leave the state to get an abortion. That sounds like some totalitarian nightmare.
 
Old 08-05-2022, 01:14 PM
 
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If you Leave a red state you are not in their jurisdiction you are subject to other state and Federal laws

But If there’s solid evidence that a person is planning to abort their baby and then fleeing the state then “attempt to commit a crime” might fall in the red state’s jurisdiction or not? If they were caught driving out with abortion papers and pulled over before leaving the state?
No. States that keep saying abortion is up to the State need to stay out of what happens in other States. To say otherwise is like saying Texas has the right to prosecute you if you smoke weed in Colorado. Ridiculous.
 
Old 08-05-2022, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Should it be illegal to attempt to leave a state if it can be evidential you’re leaving to get an abortion?

It shouldn't be illegal, but that won't stop some Republicans from trying to make it illegal.

https://thehill.com/regulation/35583...tate-abortion/
True, so people need to quit voting for Republicans who have indicated they want all or most abortion banned. Many would support an extreme abortion ban that would expect women dealing with difficult pregnancies killing them to be directed to a hospice, so their final days can be made comfortable. You know who those Republicans are when they advertise that they are 100% pro-life with no exceptions. What a crying out loud red flag! When making anti-abortion laws they will listen to anti-abortion fanatics, not actual doctors.

Republicans running for Congress likely support a federal law or constitutional amendment to ban all or most abortions at the national level to respond to states that don't want to ban abortion.
 
Old 08-05-2022, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If you Leave a red state you are not in their jurisdiction you are subject to other state and Federal laws

But If there’s solid evidence that a person is planning to abort their baby and then fleeing the state then “attempt to commit a crime” might fall in the red state’s jurisdiction or not? If they were caught driving out with abortion papers and pulled over before leaving the state?
People driving to a different state to avoid laws and taxes which try to control what people do, is not normally illegal.


But hey, if a healthy woman really wants an abortion for her healthy baby, go for it. I'd rather people with those types of genetics not pollute our world with their offspring anymore than they already have
 
Old 08-05-2022, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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If you Leave a red state you are not in their jurisdiction you are subject to other state and Federal laws

But If there’s solid evidence that a person is planning to abort their baby and then fleeing the state then “attempt to commit a crime” might fall in the red state’s jurisdiction or not? If they were caught driving out with abortion papers and pulled over before leaving the state?
Doesn't matter. Possessing abortion papers is not, to my knowledge, illegal in any state. And once you cross the state line, you are no longer under the jurisdiction of the state you just left but instead under that of the state you just entered. So even if the abortion papers spelled out, plain as day, that the person was going to have an abortion in the other state, it would make no difference. The person would not be committing a crime by not having an abortion in the first state, or by having one in the second state.
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