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Old 12-06-2022, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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If you don't want to hear about how climate change is affecting nature, stop watching nature shows.

There was a news report last week or so about a ski resort in the Alps that had to close down. No more snow at that elevation on the mountain.
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Old 12-06-2022, 05:40 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Another hot Dec for my area in FL. Just dead locked weather like always like it has been since 2011 with no rain and no cold weather like we had in the 1980's.
It has been unseasonably very cold here this year. It’s about 20 degrees below normal. I blame the person who posted in the nj forum asking for a “real winter” this year. Personally, I hate winter.
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Old 12-06-2022, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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It’s the left’s religion, and I say that seriously. In NJ it’s the law that you have to work climate change into every public school subject. Pure indoctrination. They don’t want anyone questioning it.
Well, by the time those school kids grow up, NJ may no longer be the Garden State. The Jersey corn and tomatoes I remember from my childhood may no longer grow there anymore if it gets too warm, or too cool, or too wet, or too dry or whatever. Those kids have to be prepared to make changes in what gets planted as the climate changes.
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Old 12-06-2022, 05:52 PM
 
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It has been unseasonably very cold here this year. It’s about 20 degrees below normal. I blame the person who posted in the nj forum asking for a “real winter” this year. Personally, I hate winter.
FL has been way above normal for years. All anyone needs to do is look at the above normal vs below normal temps since 2011 and see the super heating taking place.
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Old 12-06-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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There’s no evidence that natural disasters are increasing in number or intensity (except tornadoes, which, interestingly, isn’t something that even most warmers tie to global warming). But I agree as do most people with the fact that climates change. They’ve done so since the beginning of the planet’s creation and will continue to do so. Our influence on that change, if any, is debatable.
A while back on the Weather Channel, they said climate change should result in fewer hurricanes and less intense ones.


The reason they keep mentioning climate change is to keep the sheep believing.
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Old 12-06-2022, 06:04 PM
 
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A while back on the Weather Channel, they said climate change should result in fewer hurricanes and less intense ones.


The reason they keep mentioning climate change is to keep the sheep believing.
TWC = The Woke Channel

Pattrn show is full woke
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Old 12-06-2022, 06:06 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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It's a great time to be a snake oil salesman.

Back in the old west, the snake oil salesman, even if everyone he talked to in front of his stand believed him, he'd at best defraud a couple dozen people. Now the sky is the limit.
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Old 12-06-2022, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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There’s no evidence that natural disasters are increasing in number or intensity (except tornadoes, which, interestingly, isn’t something that even most warmers tie to global warming). But I agree as do most people with the fact that climates change. They’ve done so since the beginning of the planet’s creation and will continue to do so. Our influence on that change, if any, is debatable.
Our influence on that change seems pretty blatant and obvious to me. Global surface temperatures have increased by about 1 degree C since the start of the Industrial era. So even if the overall trend was warming, that's way more accelerated than the natural trend.

I'll never understand the people who think that burning this much fossil fuel for this long, somehow has no effect on the planet or its atmosphere. As if somehow we live in a magic fairy world where unfortunate/ inconvenient consequences of actions don't exist.

Not to say that alarmism, or extremism on the other side is the appropriate response, either. We like our energy, and the conveniences and comforts of our modern society. We're not going back to nature.

IMO, we need to take emotions out of it, and start building some nuclear plants. That would give us all the clean energy we could need, and we'd be done with this whole debate. Regardless of the warming factor, burning oil and coal is bad for the air quality anyway. Seems like we could all embrace healthier lungs and a cleaner world. Is taking care of our home, somehow a partisan issue, now? That seems like a no-brainer.

Both denialism and alarmism are dumb. We can't deny the situation, but we shouldn't put so much emotion into it, either. We're making choices, and there's really no good or bad or right or wrong choices. Doing nothing is an option at least, and we can eventually mostly probably just adapt to our warmed planet. But, I think we should do something about it. Or a little bit of both.

Natural gas is at least a step in the right direction, since it emits half the CO2 of coal burning. But, nuclear is the way to go- as it's thousands of times more efficient than any other energy source, and it's safe and clean. And new research is only making it safer and cleaner.
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Old 12-06-2022, 06:27 PM
 
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If you don't want to hear about how climate change is affecting nature, stop watching nature shows.

There was a news report last week or so about a ski resort in the Alps that had to close down. No more snow at that elevation on the mountain.
And stop watching the weather channel. Its like pornhub for climate nutters.
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Old 12-06-2022, 06:27 PM
 
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Our influence on that change seems pretty blatant and obvious to me. Global surface temperatures have increased by about 1 degree C since the start of the Industrial era. So even if the overall trend was warming, that's way more accelerated than the natural trend.

I'll never understand the people who think that burning this much fossil fuel for this long, somehow has no effect on the planet or its atmosphere. As if somehow we live in a magic fairy world where unfortunate/ inconvenient consequences of actions don't exist.

Not to say that alarmism, or extremism on the other side is the appropriate response, either. We like our energy, and the conveniences and comforts of our modern society. We're not going back to nature.

IMO, we need to take emotions out of it, and start building some nuclear plants. That would give us all the clean energy we could need, and we'd be done with this whole debate. Regardless of the warming factor, burning oil and coal is bad for the air quality anyway. Seems like we could all embrace healthier lungs and a cleaner world. Is taking care of our home, somehow a partisan issue, now? That seems like a no-brainer.

Both denialism and alarmism are dumb. We can't deny the situation, but we shouldn't put so much emotion into it, either. We're making choices, and there's really no good or bad or right or wrong choices. Doing nothing is an option at least, and we can eventually mostly probably just adapt to our warmed planet. But, I think we should do something about it. Or a little bit of both.

Natural gas is at least a step in the right direction, since it emits half the CO2 of coal burning. But, nuclear is the way to go- as it's thousands of times more efficient than any other energy source, and it's safe and clean. And new research is only making it safer and cleaner.
The temperature dropped about 1 degree C during the little ice age from the 14th to 19th centuries. All we have done so far is get back to about what it was in the 13th century. But don't let facts bother your narrative.
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