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Old 12-28-2023, 02:14 PM
 
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I've never lived anywhere that required I showed ID to vote
You never had to show a voter registration card?

34 states require ID to vote https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identi..._laws_by_state
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Old 12-28-2023, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Why would anyone object to an ID in order to vote?
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Old 12-28-2023, 05:19 PM
 
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Why would anyone object to an ID in order to vote?
The objection is not to ID per se, but to the difficulties many older people faced when the ID laws were first introduced. The costs of obtaining a birth certificate were effectively a poll tax for some that lived on a small amount of social security. For women, getting copies of all the documentation for name changes was difficult, especially since Texas did not require the presence of both parties to obtain a marriage license until some time after the mid-1950's and many women did not know where their husband obtained the marriage license. My Mom, who is college educated, did not know that my Dad had gone to the courthouse in West Texas where he worked to get the license instead of the one in South Texas where she lived.

For women who had been divorced, they have to get copies of all of the divorce decrees to prove their name changes.

Those laws in Texas were changed to make ID simpler to get, and many of the people most affected have died, so it's not as big an issue as it was.

A common question from the older folks was "I've voted without a picture ID for 50 years, why do I need one now?" and there was no good answer to that.
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Old 12-28-2023, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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The objection is not to ID per se, but to the difficulties many older people faced when the ID laws were first introduced. The costs of obtaining a birth certificate were effectively a poll tax for some that lived on a small amount of social security. For women, getting copies of all the documentation for name changes was difficult, especially since Texas did not require the presence of both parties to obtain a marriage license until some time after the mid-1950's and many women did not know where their husband obtained the marriage license. My Mom, who is college educated, did not know that my Dad had gone to the courthouse in West Texas where he worked to get the license instead of the one in South Texas where she lived.

For women who had been divorced, they have to get copies of all of the divorce decrees to prove their name changes.

Those laws in Texas were changed to make ID simpler to get, and many of the people most affected have died, so it's not as big an issue as it was.

A common question from the older folks was "I've voted without a picture ID for 50 years, why do I need one now?" and there was no good answer to that.
I agree with you on everything but maybe I can answer the question that you never got an answer to. I am 66. I have not ever had to produce an ID. My community is small. People actually know each other by eyesight. Currently one of the poll volunteers is a woman I had a working relationship over several years. But did it mean I never ever presented ID to vote? No I had to register to vote by presenting my birth certificate. So yes there are places where no one ever askes for your ID. They ask how your mother is. They ask how the grandchildren are. Then hand you a ballot.
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Old 12-29-2023, 04:58 AM
 
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The objection is not to ID per se, but to the difficulties many older people faced when the ID laws were first introduced. The costs of obtaining a birth certificate were effectively a poll tax for some that lived on a small amount of social security. For women, getting copies of all the documentation for name changes was difficult, especially since Texas did not require the presence of both parties to obtain a marriage license until some time after the mid-1950's and many women did not know where their husband obtained the marriage license. My Mom, who is college educated, did not know that my Dad had gone to the courthouse in West Texas where he worked to get the license instead of the one in South Texas where she lived.

For women who had been divorced, they have to get copies of all of the divorce decrees to prove their name changes.

Those laws in Texas were changed to make ID simpler to get, and many of the people most affected have died, so it's not as big an issue as it was.

A common question from the older folks was "I've voted without a picture ID for 50 years, why do I need one now?" and there was no good answer to that.
Lol
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Old 12-29-2023, 07:14 AM
 
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Lol
Do you have some substantive objection to what I wrote? It's not comedy, and it's all based on facts that came out after Texas passed its first voter ID law.
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Old 12-29-2023, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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You never had to show a voter registration card?

34 states require ID to vote https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identi..._laws_by_state
I bring both - give my name and once I sign - I get to vote. I don’t show my card
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Old 12-30-2023, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I bring both - give my name and once I sign - I get to vote. I don’t show my card
Voter ID with picture required in Florida.... as it should be in all states. If you don't have a voter ID with picture, you get a 'provisional' ballot.
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Old 12-30-2023, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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Voter ID with picture required in Florida.... as it should be in all states. If you don't have a voter ID with picture, you get a 'provisional' ballot.
By this post, it would seem to prove that you do not need an ID. If you show up and do not have one they give you a provisional ballot.
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Old 12-30-2023, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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By this post, it would seem to prove that you do not need an ID. If you show up and do not have one they give you a provisional ballot.
Think of it as a mail in ballot.
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