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Old 02-28-2024, 07:49 AM
 
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This like what? The 10th time Russia has threatened to use nukes in the last 2 years?

I think a lot of what gets said to the media is for posturing, negotiation leverage or public consumption propaganda and that goes for BOTH sides.
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Old 02-28-2024, 07:50 AM
 
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Russian capability to launch anything will be sorely restricted. And if they would happen to be able to take out D.C., I'd say that's a "win-win"....
How would their ability to launch be restricted?
They'll launch their own salvo while US missiles are inbound, there is nothing preventing that.
Additionally, they have submarine launched nukes too.
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Old 02-28-2024, 07:53 AM
 
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So what, there are many situations like that around the world. Many citizens in Northwest India are Muslim, speak Urdu and probably are pro-Pakistan. Does that mean India would be okay with Pakistan coming in and trying to take that land and coming up with some stupid fake elections to say "Oh yeah, we want to join Pakistan?" Would the world be okay with that?
No, but if Pakistan was strong enough and had the will they just might do that. If India isn’t stronger enough to fight back and stop it from happening then Pakistan wins. I feel like people have forgotten that often the strongest in the room wins and there isn’t anything anyone can do about it. You may not like it but that’s the way the world works.

I’m in the middle on foreign intervention. I think we need to strategically do it to keep bullies at bay and allies our allies. Other times we just need to let it go.

We do not want full scale war with Russia nor should we encourage it. A small section of Ukraine is not worth ww3. If Putin attacks further or especially a NATO member then that is as different story. But then we would have more of the worlds backing to deal with Russia.
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:12 AM
 
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The “Ukes” wanted to join NATO. Western leaders were apprehensive about that. By invading, Putin has shown the necessity of NATO membership for Ukraine*. Now it’s inevitable.

*Just like he drove Sweden and Finland into NATOs arms.

Stupid comparison. Sweden or Finland has NO strategic defense of Russia homeland. They are 2 worthless countries in a war just like they were in WW 2. Letting a 31 nuclear military alliance on the border of Russia, is NOT going to happen.

You think NATO wants a Ukraine totally destroyed and the reason for WW 3? I didn't think so. What's next put the U.S. 7th Fleet on China's Sea and be shocked when they retaliate?
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:16 AM
 
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PUTIN is bluffing about his trepidation over NATO on his borders. It's a done deal that Belarus is a "Russian" puppet state, and it borders NATO members.
Finland, too.
Russia has a demographic crisis, with an expectation of 25% population drop by 2100. Frankly, he's accelerating the depopulation of his country. Smart move.
Russia has to draw the line somewhere. It's more about being taken seriously than anything else. Back in 2008, Russia drew that line at Georgia and Ukraine. Meaning, they would go to war over those countries entering NATO.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, created a rump South Ossetia, and to this day Georgia is not in NATO. In 2014 and 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia was true to the red line it communicated to George W Bush back in Bucharest in 2008.

From here on out, I'm sure that proclamations or red lines offered up by Russia will be taken more seriously than they were in 2008.
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:19 AM
 
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How would their ability to launch be restricted?
They'll launch their own salvo while US missiles are inbound, there is nothing preventing that.
Additionally, they have submarine launched nukes too.
You greatly overestimate Russian capabilities. Besides, who would be left to push the button?
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:22 AM
 
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This like what? The 10th time Russia has threatened to use nukes in the last 2 years?

I think a lot of what gets said to the media is for posturing, negotiation leverage or public consumption propaganda and that goes for BOTH sides.

This happened all the time during the Cold War from both sides. Khrushchev said in a speech "We will bury you" in 1956 and We didn't see President Eisenhower get scared and call on the cavalry and declared war and blow up the world.
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:32 AM
 
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Russia has to draw the line somewhere. It's more about being taken seriously than anything else. Back in 2008, Russia drew that line at Georgia and Ukraine. Meaning, they would go to war over those countries entering NATO.

In 2008, Russia invaded Georgia, created a rump South Ossetia, and to this day Georgia is not in NATO. In 2014 and 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia was true to the red line it communicated to George W Bush back in Bucharest in 2008.

From here on out, I'm sure that proclamations or red lines offered up by Russia will be taken more seriously than they were in 2008.


This could be easily fix if We don't have the Makers of War running our country. The U.S. and NATO went from 15 countries at the end of the Cold War in 1991 to 31 countries today while invading Iraq and Afghanistan and pushing regime changes in other countries. Why are people here "shocked" that Russia reacted on Ukraine. Many saw this coming years ago.

We almost went to WW3 and almost disappear a small island in the Caribbean because We wouldn't permit they have defense nuclear missiles 90 miles from us, this was after the U.S. invaded them and failed (the stupidity of American Foreign policy) and you think Russia is going to allow a 31 country nuclear military alliance on their border? LOL Come on.

It's like me parking a tank in front of your house pointing at you and talking mad $hiat about you and then complain when you react. LOL
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:34 AM
 
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This like what? The 10th time Russia has threatened to use nukes in the last 2 years?

I think a lot of what gets said to the media is for posturing, negotiation leverage or public consumption propaganda and that goes for BOTH sides.
Classic bully. Posturing to strike fear in others, when in fact the bully is the coward.
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Old 02-28-2024, 08:38 AM
 
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This happened all the time during the Cold War from both sides. Khrushchev said in a speech "We will bury you" in 1956 and We didn't see President Eisenhower get scared and call on the cavalry and declared war and blow up the world.
We also didn’t see Ike running from the Soviets and abandoning our allies.

“Under the Eisenhower Doctrine, a country could request American economic assistance and/or aid from U.S. military forces if it was being threatened by armed aggression from another state.”
https://history.state.gov/milestones...hower-doctrine
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