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Then you either live in a VERY tolerant community, or you're just keeping your eyes closed... go ask a Black person if racism still exists, and I'm sure you'll get a different answer. I've posted these statistics before, but here are the FBI's stats on hate crimes:
Racial Bias
Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2005, there were 4,895 victims of racially motivated hate crime.
* 67.9 percent were victims of an anti-black bias.
* 19.9 percent were victims of an anti-white bias. (this includes Hispanics, who are classified as "White")
* 5.3 percent were victims of a bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).
* 4.9 percent were victims of an anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
* 2.0 percent were victims of an anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.
So, according to the FBI 3,324 out of 38.4 million blacks have been a victim of a hate crime? That is one out of every 11,500 or so blacks. That doesn't seem overwhelming. It seems pretty rare.
I suppose if intolerance isn't a crime, it's rare! However, most people don't report injustice(s) just violence!
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So, according to the FBI 3,324 out of 38.4 million blacks have been a victim of a hate crime? That is one out of every 11,500 or so blacks. That doesn't seem overwhelming. It seems pretty rare.
So, according to the FBI 3,324 out of 38.4 million blacks have been a victim of a hate crime? That is one out of every 11,500 or so blacks. That doesn't seem overwhelming. It seems pretty rare.
Compare that to the percentages of non-black hate crime, when considering their population... and keep in mind, "White" includes Latino (and other nationalities), so you have to combine their numbers with ours to make up that 19% victim category. Also remember that not all crimes are reported, or classified as a "hate crime", since they need concrete proof to label it as such.
Compare that to the percentages of non-black hate crime, when considering their population... and keep in mind, "White" includes Latino (and other nationalities), so you have to combine their numbers with ours to make up that 19% victim category. Also remember that not all crimes are reported, or classified as a "hate crime", since they need concrete proof to label it as such.
I won't dispute that, and I do not claim that racism doesn't exist. Even so, one out of 11,500, is hardly as commonplace as many people suggest. In spite of its comparison to hate crimes against other races.
In the 1940's 110,000 Japanese-Americans were illegally imprisoned. That says nothing of the Japanese-Americans who weren't. That entire generation was victimized by hostility and persecution. If you went to a nursing home today that housed some of the few reamaining veterans from that war (not to mention, Korea and Vietnam) you would find many refuse to eat rice some 60 years later. While that may be victimless, that cetainly looks like deep-seated hatered to me. Yet in spite of this hatred, and subsequent racism, Japanese have thrived, especially relative to their minority counterparts.
There's a case in Los Angeles where 10 black teenage girls attacked and beat up three white women on Halloween 2006 while yelling racial slurs. The white women were badly beaten, broken noses, broken jaw, and one is still on crutches. They were kicked in the head, punched in the face, and chased down to be attacked.
The youngest is 12 of the attackers. A jury convicted the other 9 black teenagers of hate crimes yesterday. It does go the other way. Hate crimes are hate crimes.
I do think though for many whites hatred where it exists could be classified as racism (believing that your race is superior physically, mentally, genetically, etc.). Most of the hatred I see from blacks who spout it seems to be prejudice rather than racism for the most part because they feel hatred based on perceived "victimization" and feeling inferior in American society they feel is inherently dominated by whites and against them.
I got a good feeling of that watching the part 1 and part 2 of the last Wife Swap. The white woman from Louisiana is a whacko no doubt, but the swap put her in a house with a black husband who couldn't open his mouth without slurring whites and blaming them for everything...not some things...everything...and refusing dialogue or to discuss his views. He also badly mistreated his "swap" wife.
His actions don't reveal racism. It's clear in his speech and actions that his 'hatred' is about feeling victimized whether it's right or wrong.
Whites tend to view anyone who isn't white as "minorities" and "minorities" are usually perceived as uneducated, poor, welfare cases, lazy people who won't lift themselves out of poverty and grab opportunity, etc. There's an issue of respect and lack of it. People in higher socio-economic classes who work hard and have earned their way tend to look with disdain and disrespect on those who don't. More whites are in the higher classes and more blacks make up the poor. So that's pretty clear a divide.
There's a big difference between true racism versus prejudice and I think whites, even when they don't consciously realize it, tend to be more racist from a position of advantage than blacks. I'm not saying there aren't racist blacks. I just can't think of one.
...People in higher socio-economic classes who work hard and have earned their way tend to look with disdain and disrespect on those who don't. More whites are in the higher classes and more blacks make up the poor...
I disagree. I think people from the higher classes could care less about the lower classes.They don't think in those terms. Remember back to your high school years. The ones who really noticed the class divisions there were not the "popular" crowd, it was the ones in the bottom looking up.
I saw some news about this case. Are you saying that racism and prejudice are different animals?
Here's what I've experienced, something called "ethnocentrism." - kind of a fancy word, but fundamentally, I have found that a group can believe itself singularly special, so special in fact that it becomes a form of racial prejudice. BTW, special in this case doesn't mean better than, but unique. This ethnocentrism can take many forms. Within some black communities it has become normative to think "whites can't understand, and therefore should be excluded." This has become a rallying cry particularly in the health and education field spored by HIV/AIDS. Fewer whites are active on the front lines of the epidemic because of ethnocentrism. Sad! True! Self-defeating!
There's a case in Los Angeles where 10 black teenage girls attacked and beat up three white women on Halloween 2006 while yelling racial slurs. The white women were badly beaten, broken noses, broken jaw, and one is still on crutches. They were kicked in the head, punched in the face, and chased down to be attacked.
The youngest is 12 of the attackers. A jury convicted the other 9 black teenagers of hate crimes yesterday. It does go the other way. Hate crimes are hate crimes.
I do think though for many whites hatred where it exists could be classified as racism (believing that your race is superior physically, mentally, genetically, etc.). Most of the hatred I see from blacks who spout it seems to be prejudice rather than racism for the most part because they feel hatred based on perceived "victimization" and feeling inferior in American society they feel is inherently dominated by whites and against them.
I got a good feeling of that watching the part 1 and part 2 of the last Wife Swap. The white woman from Louisiana is a whacko no doubt, but the swap put her in a house with a black husband who couldn't open his mouth without slurring whites and blaming them for everything...not some things...everything...and refusing dialogue or to discuss his views. He also badly mistreated his "swap" wife.
His actions don't reveal racism. It's clear in his speech and actions that his 'hatred' is about feeling victimized whether it's right or wrong.
Whites tend to view anyone who isn't white as "minorities" and "minorities" are usually perceived as uneducated, poor, welfare cases, lazy people who won't lift themselves out of poverty and grab opportunity, etc. There's an issue of respect and lack of it. People in higher socio-economic classes who work hard and have earned their way tend to look with disdain and disrespect on those who don't. More whites are in the higher classes and more blacks make up the poor. So that's pretty clear a divide.
There's a big difference between true racism versus prejudice and I think whites, even when they don't consciously realize it, tend to be more racist from a position of advantage than blacks. I'm not saying there aren't racist blacks. I just can't think of one.
I disagree. I think people from the higher classes could care less about the lower classes.They don't think in those terms. Remember back to your high school years. The ones who really noticed the class divisions there were not the "popular" crowd, it was the ones in the bottom looking up.
I agree. They barely notice them except when confronted by them or somehow forced to interact with them. But that's part of what I'm saying... they avoid the black underclass/poor (whatever you want to label them as) out of disdain and they do not respect them. Ignoring someone is disrespecting them too, is it not?
I think we're on the same page, but not quite clear how the problem manifests or what it looks like.
I believe it is the struggling middle class that has disdain; the upper class is indifferent.
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Originally Posted by jest721
I disagree. I think people from the higher classes could care less about the lower classes.They don't think in those terms. Remember back to your high school years. The ones who really noticed the class divisions there were not the "popular" crowd, it was the ones in the bottom looking up.
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I've posted these statistics before, but here are the FBI's stats on hate crimes:
