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Old 08-23-2008, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by saganista View Post
As was pointed out, that isn't what they say at all. Where was your citation from UNSCR 687, by the way? Walking away with your pants down yet again?
Again, Bush acted on information supplied to him, especially info from George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence.

There is no evidence that Bush changed or distorted the info he received.

The title of this thread is very appropriate!

 
Old 08-23-2008, 07:43 PM
 
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Some people believe only what they want to believe.
And they ignore the fact that many Democrats were making the same claim as Bush. Joe Biden said, Saddam Hussein is a "serious threat to the world."
Was he lying?
Was Al Gore lying when he said "he (Saddam) has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" (Sep.23, 2002)

Was John Kerry lying when he said "the threat of Saddam Hussein with WMD is real" (Jan. 23, 2003)
 
Old 08-24-2008, 07:47 AM
 
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Again, Bush acted on information supplied to him, especially info from George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence. There is no evidence that Bush changed or distorted the info he received. The title of this thread is very appropriate!
NID Mike McConnell disagrees with you.

The Pentagon's Inspector General disagrees with you.

Top CIA officials disagree with you.

Have you posted that citation from UNSCR 687 yet?

While you're at it, what was the scope of the Silberman-Robb Commission's work? Was it asked to look into the use or abuse of intelligence by the administration in arranging lies and other deceptions, or was that sort of thing put off limits?
 
Old 08-24-2008, 08:36 AM
 
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And they ignore the fact that many Democrats were making the same claim as Bush. Joe Biden said, Saddam Hussein is a "serious threat to the world." Was he lying? Was Al Gore lying when he said "he (Saddam) has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" (Sep.23, 2002) Was John Kerry lying when he said "the threat of Saddam Hussein with WMD is real" (Jan. 23, 2003)
Going the wrong way on a one-way street. These are examples where Bush's claims were the same as the claims of others, some of those already tainted by Bushie disinformation, such as the story of WMD production planted with Judith Miller that was published on the front page of the NY Times, and that the paper would later have to issue an apology for having published at all. But Bush et al went on to make many more and far more specific claims. Claims that no one else ever made, claims that went well beyond such levels of general concern about Saddam and his capabilities and his intentions. So many among those claims were lies...statements deliberately designed to deceive and create wrong impressions...among the people and in Congress. And the lying hasn't stopped since...
 
Old 08-24-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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So what?? Do we now have to ask permission from the UN to defend our liberty? Who in H-ll gives a d-mn what the UN thinks about anything? We are a sovereign nation, and we will (and should) do what's necessary to protect our interests.

We delayed far too long going into Iraq, presenting our case to the UN. Long enough for them to get rid of all evidence (of WMD's).

That body is useless, corrupt, a waste of our money, and we should end our envolvement with them and kick the organization the H-ll out of our country.

lol the twisted logic of many americans is what the thread title should be lol. bottom line iraq was not involved and this iraq wr should not be going on. theres motives behind thiswhy haventtheUS attack n korea or iran or russia yet then.theres no proof that iraq had wmd's andif they did they havethe right to. because isreal has nuclear weapons. read between the lines, something americans usually dont do..
 
Old 08-24-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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And they ignore the fact that many Democrats were making the same claim as Bush. Joe Biden said, Saddam Hussein is a "serious threat to the world."
Was he lying?
Was Al Gore lying when he said "he (Saddam) has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" (Sep.23, 2002)

Was John Kerry lying when he said "the threat of Saddam Hussein with WMD is real" (Jan. 23, 2003)
talk is cheap. actions speak louder,. and this crap was they were spewing were lies dems and repubs are liars point blank
 
Old 08-24-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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lol the twisted logic of many americans is what the thread title should be lol. bottom line iraq was not involved and this iraq wr should not be going on. theres motives behind thiswhy haventtheUS attack n korea or iran or russia yet then.theres no proof that iraq had wmd's andif they did they havethe right to. because isreal has nuclear weapons. read between the lines, something americans usually dont do..
You obviously don't understand the concept of surrender and having to abide by certain rules to be allowed to exist. The coalition could've easily eliminated Saddam altogether during the Persian Gulf War, but he was allowed to continue his reign, so long as he lived up to the agreements in the U.N. Resolutions. He was required to provide proof that he had no WMD, not the other way around. He did not. He was required to allow inspectors unfettered access to any area they wanted. He did not. He was required to recognize and respect the No Fly Zones. He did not. The Iraq War was simply an extention of the Persian Gulf War because of his refusal to abide by the demands.
 
Old 08-24-2008, 02:15 PM
 
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talk is cheap. actions speak louder,. and this crap was they were spewing were lies dems and repubs are liars point blank
So "everybody" was lying? Get real!
Would that include the intelligence organizations worldwide? Russian intelligence, British intelligence, Chinese intelligence?
Even Saddam's own Generals believed Saddam had WMD. Saddam gave large amounts of money to his scientists to manufacture biological and chemical weapons (even nuclear).
 
Old 08-24-2008, 02:22 PM
 
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Going the wrong way on a one-way street. These are examples where Bush's claims were the same as the claims of others, some of those already tainted by Bushie disinformation, such as the story of WMD production planted with Judith Miller that was published on the front page of the NY Times, and that the paper would later have to issue an apology for having published at all. But Bush et al went on to make many more and far more specific claims. Claims that no one else ever made, claims that went well beyond such levels of general concern about Saddam and his capabilities and his intentions. So many among those claims were lies...statements deliberately designed to deceive and create wrong impressions...among the people and in Congress. And the lying hasn't stopped since...
The New York Times! A great "source" to use. Well the N.Y. Times certainly is used to apologizing!
Doesn't change the fact that both Republican and Democratic politicians believed that Saddam had WMD hidden in his country. So did the major intelligence agencies worldwide. So did Saddam's own Generals.
As Amazinjohn said, Saddam was to have shown that he destroyed all of his WMD; the U.S. didn't have to prove he had them. Bush gave Saddam plenty of time to do so (so did Clinton when he was president). Bush gave Saddam a final 48-hour window. Saddam did not cooperate and paid the price. So go cry somewhere else!
 
Old 08-24-2008, 04:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Fleet View Post
So "everybody" was lying? Get real!
Would that include the intelligence organizations worldwide? Russian intelligence, British intelligence, Chinese intelligence?
Even Saddam's own Generals believed Saddam had WMD. Saddam gave large amounts of money to his scientists to manufacture biological and chemical weapons (even nuclear).
-B.S!!! western propaganda
-so, america done the same thing
-Theres intelligence from other countries on American Gov but you'll dismiss those claims wont you
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