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Nomander, your task is very simple. Go online and find a MORE authoritative report, and present its findings to the rest of us, which we will take more serioiusly than your narrow opinion, which is already well known to us.
Why don't you defend your report. Sound good? Or would you rather just throw out links and proclaim truth without ever having to discuss past the title? Answer to my objections honestly, or sit down.
Why don't you defend your report. Sound good? Or would you rather just throw out links and proclaim truth without ever having to discuss past the title? Answer to my objections honestly, or sit down.
It's not my report. I haven't read it. I have no comment on it. You can't just act like the WHO is the
Drudge Report or Kieth Olbermann's worst person in the world, and blow them off.
If you think you have a better, more authoritative report, don't just belittle the people who offered theirs---show us the better one.
It's not my report. I haven't read it. I have no comment on it. If you think you have a better, more authoritative report, don't just belittle the people who offered theirs---show us the better one.
Read what I wrote, I commented on some aspects of the report, your calls for me to provide a better report is an evasion to the facts that this report is flawed. I don't need to provide another one, my argument was that this one is flawed. I don't need another report to show this one is poor, it does it all by itself.
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What I also don't understand is that you claim you didn't read it, it isn't your report, you have no comment on it but then you "feel" you are informed enough to make the arrogant comment you made which was nothing short of a misinformed personal attack? As I said, sit down, you have no clue about what you are talking about. Run along and troll some more in the election forums, its baseless accusation style is right up your ally.
Read what I wrote, I commented on some aspects of the report, your calls for me to provide a better report is an evasion to the facts that this report is flawed. I don't need to provide another one, my argument was that this one is flawed. I don't need another report to show this one is poor, it does it all by itself.
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What I also don't understand is that you claim you didn't read it, it isn't your report, you have no comment on it but then you "feel" you are informed enough to make the arrogant comment you made which was nothing short of a misinformed personal attack? As I said, sit down, you have no clue about what you are talking about. Run along and troll some more in the election forums, its baseless accusation style is right up your ally.
Show us a report that more accuratly ranks the US health care. If you don't have one, admit that this one is the best abvailable, despite its flaws.
I don't know how to back it up because it seems like common sense to me. If al Qaeda (or any other group) has 10K fighters and $1B you can consume those resources on your terms, on the battle field of your choosing, at the time of your choosing or you can wait for them to attack.
Well, if one wants to find AL CIAda, it would seem that the proper place would be in the country where they live - not in a neighboring country such as Iraq which had nothing to do with 911.
Now, I will concede there is a variety of conservative out there who truly believes all this war mongering is necessary, so I guess I have to just shake my head and cut them some slack.
I am talking more about Joe Republican for whom BEFORE 911 was still so afraid someone might get a handout for nothing that they'd begrudge uninsured people the basic right of healthcare. Now, the argument will be made that any American can walk into an ER and be served. This is true. However, they will also be served with a HUGE bill and a BIGGER bill than the same person WITH insurance will be looking at. This system stinks!
It would be nice not to lose two friends in the next ten days.
Sometimes it is best to take the high road and just keep your mouth shut around those type of people , no sense in losing friends over political matters . You won't change their minds and they won't change yours.
I'll address your other points shortly. But before I do so, who are you to be so presumptuous that you actually pretend to know I won't voluntarily reduce my consumption? Where do you get your data?
I am no one.
In any event, I wasn't addressing you specifically, I was addressing you liberals, since your question was addressed to us "right-wingers."
My data comes from the fact that the US is not in a recession. When the GDP starts dropping to $11 Trillion to $10 Trillion to 9$ Trillion (and the unemployment rate rises to 15%-20%), your consumption will decrease significantly.
The model of Kill Other People and Take Their Resources had a long and sometimes even successful run. Unless we feel that we can accept a new 9/11 every week or so, we might want to invest some thought in alternative models. How many things are there in central Asia that we could not find ways to do without in a technologically modified world?
Seriously? None.
The oil and natural gas in the five Central Asian states is 3 to 5 times that of the Middle East.
And it isn't just any oil. All of it, every single barrel is light crude or intermediate crude.
Without light crude oil, the population in the US will decrease by 20 Million in 5 years.
All of your pharmaceutical drugs made since 1994 contain petro-chemicals refined exclusively from light crude oil. They cannot be made from intermediate or heavy grade crude oils.
Lipitor, Pravachol, and 4 dozen other heart and high-blood pressure medications are made from light oil. Without it, those people would succumb to heart diseases in short order.
Thousands of other drugs from Valtrex for herpes, to Claritin for allergies to all the psychotropic drugs for bi-polar and other mental disorders, and Type II diabetes are made exclusively from light oil.
Central Asia is also full of minerals and metals you need for your cell-phones and iPods and GameBoys and other electronic gadgets.
The US has a very limited supply of light crude. It has Louisiana Sour from the Louisiana/Mississippi gulf coast area. They're already shutting down platforms. It'll be gone in 16 years. There's very limited supply in the Bakken Fields, but only 9 years worth. Together they currently only make up 11% of the current light crude use in the US. The US has to import 6 Million barrels of light crude to meet its consumer demand.
You want to try to make cell-phones and birth control pills from T-Bone Pickens wind-mills and natural gas, go right ahead.
This does not bode well. In the 1930s, people who were down and out quietly endured it because they knew they were all going down together and the last crust of bread would be divided among everybody they knew. If anydody had anything, it was for the good of all. These are people who grew up in communities where sharing and cooperation were the only way of life that they knew.
How things have changed. Now, the dominant profile of the American people has been switched to personal and individual greed, in which many, or most people will grab, by force if necessary, not just the last crust of bread, but the entire bakery, all for himself. This will not go unnoticed by strong and angry men who, thanks to the people who stole the bakery, have guns. It will not be pretty.
A spirit of cooperation has been replaced by a spirit of competition. There won't be much bread to go around, but there will be plenty of ammo.
And that is what liberalism has given us.
If it feels good, do it, no matter what the consequences, and of course you bear no responsibility as blame can always be placed on someone else.
Lately this is driving me crazy. I have two good friends who are both republicans and each day the election draws closer, I am wondering why I am even friends with these people. I am trying to restrain myself, but it's getting hard.
Anyway, my central question has always been (and it's going out to you right wingers)...why are these people (or that one) so afraid that someone might get something for nothing (as in universal health care) yet don't mind spending their and my tax dollars on spreading death and destruction in the world? I CANNOT for the life of me get this. I try to explain to them that MY tax dollars are going to support said death and destruction and that I am highly opposed to this, yet it just goes straight over their heads. I tell them I would rather err on the side of life than death. I tell them that if I had $100 in my pocket and a "welfare queen" with too many kids or some military person wanting to bomb innocents were standing in front of me wanting my money, I would give the $100 to the "welfare queen" in the interest of LIFE. And this is the party of pro life people?
What is up with these people (or that one)? It would be nice not to lose two friends in the next ten days. Can anyone rational help me understand the RW mindset?
This guy's letter to '0' came out recently and does a fairly good job of representing the mindset of of a 'right winger'... as for myself, I'm just a middle of the roader with libertarian leanings.
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In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.
The quote is his summation of his experiences, the letter is much longer but I didn't want to burden leftists with reading the boring rot (at least the way I interpret a leftist's attitude).
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. They know everything and we are always wrong 
, no sense in losing friends over political matters 
. You won't change their minds and they won't change yours. 
