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You are right, I'm guilty as charged. I am hopelessly biased in favor of the truth. My bad.
The problem is, "what is the truth?" I don't feel that we can get the truth out of any politician or now even media-person. Whose fault? I think it is ours. We listen to TV/Radio spot spins and consider that to be the whole truth.
Take the auto bail-out for example, everyone is blaming everyone else when in fact we know there is no such thing as an innocent party in this mess. I mean from the customers, to the manufacturers, to the unions, to the dealers, the lawyers, and of course the lawmakers. No one is exempt from fault in this situation.
I think TnHillopper, you will find that there is a lot of truth from both the Bush Administration and the opposition in a similar fashion. Yet, both are likely guilty of 1/2 truthing and that to me equals no truth.
The problem is, "what is the truth?" I don't feel that we can get the truth out of any politician or now even media-person. Whose fault? I think it is ours. We listen to TV/Radio spot spins and consider that to be the whole truth.
Take the auto bail-out for example, everyone is blaming everyone else when in fact we know there is no such thing as an innocent party in this mess. I mean from the customers, to the manufacturers, to the unions, to the dealers, the lawyers, and of course the lawmakers. No one is exempt from fault in this situation.
I think TnHillopper, you will find that there is a lot of truth from both the Bush Administration and the opposition in a similar fashion. Yet, both are likely guilty of 1/2 truthing and that to me equals no truth.
Tom, I was being a bit sarcastic and humorous to be honest.
I merely take the opposite side of the argument in your original post. I'm not afraid for my government, I'm afraid for the people in which this government governs over. I was openly critical of Clinton, Bush and will probably be so of Obama as well, as anymore, political labels of right left conservative, liberal mean nothing to me and only serve as a way to keep peoples attention away from more substantive content.
I just happen to feel there is a detachment that grows wider as political figures continue their careers, or at least more often than not. Many people enter into politics with good intentions and for noble causes but in time, the saturation of corruption that comes with being in a position of power erodes many a persons principles to the point they would no longer recognize themselves if they looked in the mirror.
Our government is awesome, just that some of the people pushing the buttons go astray and I feel it is the duty of the polis to keep them accountable and to stay engaged, regardless of ones political views.
In the case of what you posted, if true, then as I suggested there would likely be some form of censure or impeachment. I don't see this as a constitutional crisis or a threat to our foundation, merely another bump in the road.
I agree with TnHilltopper. I lived through several decades of recessions, scandals, gas shortages, wars, rumors of wars, there was Watergate, the Cinton White Water fiasco and a blue dress........... and at the end of the day it is only big news until something more exciting to talk about happens. Politics is like a soap opera....it serves as entertainment.....it doesn't define our resolve as a people.
No matter what happens, we'll bounce back.
It the amount of corruption and greed from top to bottom in our society that bothers me. The government can collapse from just this type of thing. In the housing crisis the last defense against people borrowing what they can't pay back is the borrower. Its like a gambler betting with IOUs.Now the governamnt that can't cover the loans is borrowing to do so.Many of the IOU holders are foreign governament that WILL want their money back.
Why didn't they wait till the deal was made and the seat was bought and paid for? I wonder where that would have led?
Hmmm .. good question, coastalrap
please understand, Im not "for or against" whatever that means to each of you, and i think, like Pirate Girl, that Barak may have had a positive roll in the Blago-thing ... he did promise to end corruption in govt., no? Where better to begin than on home turf where he may know who needs to be brought down first.
that being said, coastalrap's question is largely being avoided thus far (obviously im not trying to tie this to Barak) and I wonder why .. why pull in the nets before the fishing got really good? thoughts?
Your afraid for our government and I am afraid of it.
We are the ones that should be afraid.
the last time I checked our government has nothing to be afraid of.
While I agree with you, we need to look at why I wrote the OP. This is not about us, but rather about the Constitution and how we get back to a responsible government. When we have Chicago-like corruption invading every government from small towns to the President's office, to paraphrase: "America, we have a problem." Take your pick of corruption. Head for Blogoburg, Frankville, or Rangelton to get a quick illustration.
When a perp has no fear of killing, defrauding, or theft, at any level, then we have a constitutional issue more than just a moral issue.
While I agree with you, we need to look at why I wrote the OP. This is not about us, but rather about the Constitution and how we get back to a responsible government. When we have Chicago-like corruption invading every government from small towns to the President's office, to paraphrase: "America, we have a problem." Take your pick of corruption. Head for Blogoburg, Frankville, or Rangelton to get a quick illustration.
When a perp has no fear of killing, defrauding, or theft, at any level, then we have a constitutional issue more than just a moral issue.
Well Tom, I'm sure you are familiar with the whole, "We the people, for the people, by the people" stuff? Well that's the thing about a Democracy or in this case a Republic, it also happens to be somewhat dependent upon the citizenry taking part in their government instead of being merely passive watchers of the parade going by.
To the extent that our government, or in this case, the people elected into office, fail to live up to their oath, then we have two choices. Wait for other government entities to correct and fix itself or for the people to petition their government to correct this. If not, then you go one step further and rise in protest, and so forth.
Many folks who talk about being self reliant, rail against the evils of socialism will then wait or stand by expecting the same government they complain about to do something for them(kinda ironic huh). When is the last time a corrupt anything did anything for something other than itself, and certainly not for you.
Hate to break it to you there bud, but to the extent that there is rampant corruption or an erosion of our Constitution, the only way it is going to get taken care of is if you do something about it. When is the last time cancer left a body because someone asked it to?
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