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Old 03-15-2009, 03:59 PM
 
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador
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Originally Posted by LoveMiiorHateMii View Post
So you take one, just one link...and refute the others....lol! This is why we can't have a convo. because you refuse to look at the facts about your own people!

Really the OP took their information for one site


Median net worth of a White American: $81,700
Median net worth of an African-American: $10,000
(Edward N. Wolff, "Recent Trends in Wealth Ownership, 1983-1998," April 2000)

Number of White people living in poverty: 21,922,000
Number of Black people living in poverty: 8,360,000
(U.S. Census Bureau, 1999)

Percentage of men earning poverty level hourly wage: 19.5%
Percentage of women earning poverty level hourly wage: 31.1%
(Economic Policy Institute, 2000)

Males:
White collar: 47% (of workforce), avg hourly wage = $22.20
Service: 10.4%, avg hourly wage = $10.92
Blue collar: 40.1%, avg hourly wage = $13.71

Females:
White collar: 73.4%, avg hourly wage = $14.90
Service: 15.2%, avg hourly wage = $8.17
Blue collar: 9.6%, avg hourly wage = $9.94
(The State of Working America 2000-2001, Economic Policy Institute, statistics are for 2000)

Median Income by type of household:
Family households (all): $49,940
Married couple families: $56,827
Female householder, no husband present: $26,164
Male householder, no wife present: $41,838
(U.S. Census Bureau, 1999)



^ This doesn't even break the down hispanic population inthe numbers, who I'm sure White Americans don't see Hispanics/latinos as white.

Secondly, a couple of the links posted doesn't even list stats on poverty along racial lines, not to mention the OP got her/his information from one link and tried to make it fact!

We can't have a conversation because people like yourself refuse to face the facts, and when facts are presented you write them off. LOL, nice try.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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Racial and ethnic minorities, women, children, and families headed by single women are particularly vulnerable to poverty and deep poverty.


Blacks and Hispanics are more likely than whites to be poor.
  • In 2005, 8.3% of non-Hispanic whites lived in poverty; 21.8% of Hispanics lived in poverty; and 24.9% of blacks lived in poverty.
  • 6% of non-Hispanic white families lived in poverty; 20.6% of Hispanic families lived in poverty; and 23.8% of black families lived in poverty.
  • 10% of non-Hispanic white children under 18 were poor; 28.3% of Hispanic children under 18 were poor; and 34.5 of black children under 18 were poor. Overall, 17.6% of children under 18 - 12,896,000 children - lived in poverty.
  • Not surprisingly, "Severely poor blacks (4.3 million) are more than three times as likely as non-Hispanic whites to be in deep poverty, while extremely poor Hispanics of any race (3.7 million) are more than twice as likely."
^^^^ From one of the links you posted. Do you ever read what you post?
It's not a question of which group has the greatest percentage of poor people, but about whites comprising almost half of those (of any race) living in poverty in this country.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Yes
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As much as I am probably with you in regards to political and social theory for why poverty exists, OP ... I have to be fair and say that % means more than total number in this argument. You have to look at what percentage of each race is in poverty. That is more telling than total numbers. But after that fact, I still agree at what you are trying to hint at.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador
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mental_complex


Off topic. We are not comparing who is more likely as a percentage to live in poverty (note the thread title), nor are we discussing who is more likely to live in poverty.

The discussion is about the 21 million plus non-hispanic whites who currently live in poverty and the reasons for their existence. The only time that non-whites come into play is in the removal of the standard arguments that cause of contribute to the poverty of ethnic minorities in the U.S, because if those government programs, asocial behaviors etc are the rational, then surely a class of individuals who do not suffer from those issues of causality would be free of poverty, yet instead we fine a significant number of white Americans living in poverty with no explanation other than their own personal failings.
Actually your title has a percentage in the title. Nice attempt a spinning; Secondly, links posted by yourself goes against the 21 million number you came up with.. The links doesn't say non-hispanic whites.. It says Whites.. Let's try sticking to fact for a moment.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:05 PM
 
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador
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It's not a question of which group has the greatest percentage of poor people, but about whites comprising almost half of those (of any race) living in poverty in this country.

The OP posted that link to support his/her claim.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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there are alot of reasons, but we can go back to the reagan war on the underclass as to why alot of people are struggling today
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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Really the OP took their information for one site
Again, we are not talking about comparisons of whites vs non-whites. We are talking about poverty in white America.

Think of it as a sociological examination where we look at poverty by controlling for race. If the conventional wisdom around these parts is that African Americans are poor because of social programs, a false sense of victimization then when those issues are removed we should expect not to see poverty. So what parameter is a better indicator of such a premiss than to look at a sector of the population that doesn't share that history.

In short, how does one account for 21 million whites living in poverty?
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:09 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Actually your title has a percentage in the title. Nice attempt a spinning; Secondly, links posted by yourself goes against the 21 million number you came up with.. The links doesn't say non-hispanic whites.. It says Whites.. Let's try sticking to fact for a moment.
Census shows 25 million whites living in poverty.

Poverty 1--Part 100_03 (http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032008/pov/new01_100_03.htm - broken link)
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: STL
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Well if this is true, a logical explanation could be that America is over 70% white.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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Mental_complex

You need to go back to reviewing math.
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