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That was one long post that said so very little. Yep, I understood what you said but not one word was about anything in the letter that I said was my kind of thinking. How long before you become an OMG voter, Tank?
Should I not be afraid of The Man when I know so little about his earlier life? Take that one sentence in the letter that addresses a bit of this problem: You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..
Who did pay for his schooling? Why aren't we allowed to find out some of that from his enrollment forms? How do we learn about him from high school on? WHY can't we know about his earlier life other than the fact that he was a community organizer who based his work on the teachings of Saul Alinsky? We should know much more about his earlier life than we do and I don't know how to learn about those things. He has more lawyers working to keep his background covered and more money to pay them than anyone has to beat them. Yep, I guess he will always be a ghost to most of us.
Got any proof that "he" has "more lawyers working to keep his background covered, and more money to pay them than anyone has to beat them"?
Proof, roy. Got any proof? Not just statements of attorney bills paid, but itemized attorney invoices for the things you claim he pays attorneys to do.
This letter came to me in an e-mail. It has been around the internet for a while now. However, I couldn't believe how much like my thoughts these are. I would have written these very words if I wanted to write to my President, which I don't. Pay attention to the last line to see how I really do feel and if you think it necessary plagiarize the e-mail and assign the words to me as they ARE exactly what I think.
AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
Dear President Obama, You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support..
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
If you don't want to believe that any of these words are so very true maybe you could offer some words of refutation.
How do you know he has an Ivy League education? Has anyone seen the records? After all he is a son of Chicago politics.
I have always been very sure that what you say is true but don't feel that way anymore. Oh I do think there is a chance of revolt, and that it won't be peaceful as it should be in this country, but I do think it will come. My real fear is that with the present Congress and President that there could come a real restriction on the rights of people like me to talk as I do. Now you compare what I just said to all the rights we lost under Bush and then tell me that I am totally wrong.
I didn't have any rights taken from me in that last 8 years. I don't know which ones you lost then. Terrorists and their supporters lost some but only if they were out to destroy this nation or some part of it. Seriously, I would like to know which of your rights you lost unless you were in cahoots with some terrorist group. They just didn't take any from me.
I don't know of any "right" I may have lost under bush. his agenda pushed towards taking my right to choice away. but we have term limits, even in 12 years he didn't. obama does not, would not, (even if he wanted too) take away your rights. I don't think either you or I have lost any "rights" under obama either. I don't think you could name a right obama has taken from us. his agenda may push towards an ideal or law that you don't agree with....but even when the congress is democratic are you ever going to lose your basic rights. heck, obama wants to talk to cuba and iran if he will engage these talks, he isn't worried in the least about curbing any naysayer's here in the usa. he and his congress could care less if "we" want to gripe about the way he runs his term. no worries as we say in the islands
I have always been very sure that what you say is true but don't feel that way anymore. Oh I do think there is a chance of revolt, and that it won't be peaceful as it should be in this country, but I do think it will come. My real fear is that with the present Congress and President that there could come a real restriction on the rights of people like me to talk as I do. Now you compare what I just said to all the rights we lost under Bush and then tell me that I am totally wrong.
I didn't have any rights taken from me in that last 8 years. I don't know which ones you lost then. Terrorists and their supporters lost some but only if they were out to destroy this nation or some part of it. Seriously, I would like to know which of your rights you lost unless you were in cahoots with some terrorist group. They just didn't take any from me.
Out of nothing more than fear that was blown out of proportion, Bush eroded our right to dissent and our right to trial. Anyone could've been locked up if someone said they were a terrorist. There was no accountability associated with that list. Now that we've found out about all the innocent people who went to Gitmo, I'm surprised that doesn't terrify you. The difference between you and many of those people was nothing more than an investigators' suspicion.
I know the whole Nazi comparison thing is pretty cliche and over-used, but that's one of the things that was so terrifying about the means Nazis used to ferret out dissidents. There was no trial, just word of mouth, and you disappeared. Also, with a more well-associated irony, those amendments were put in our Constitution due to many injustices commited by King George (not the satire name of Bush, but a real adversary in the American Revolution). When people dared to say that the monarchy was milking the colonies dry with nothing in return, they'd disappear. Loyalists considered this to be for their own safety. It's terrifying that anyone could put such well-founded amendments aside just because we were scared of terrorism, which is not exactly a new problem as of 9/11. Terrorism is age-old and ought to be ignored before it does anything to the humane laws our nation and world have thankfully put in place.
I don't see these kinds of things purely in left vs right terms as life would be so much easier if it were just boiled down to this and that. It is as much about left vs right as it is top vs bottom, the desires of government vs the needs of people, the interest of business vs the interest of individuals.
There has been an erosion of liberty in the US, there is corruption from every corner, be it our political leaders, business leaders and even everyday citizens. There has been a decline in general morality as well as our ability to think critically and keep discourse reasonable. However this is nothing new and it is certainly not just because of Obama.
As harsh of a critic as I am of government, the people, business and the inter-relationships between them, I still believe that they system we have is sound. Throughout our history there have been numerous times in which the balance of power has shifted between those mentioned above. Sometimes government does become too corrupt, too greedy and it is the duty of the people to push back and assert the fact that they are the sovereign and remind our leaders who they work for. Sometimes the people succumb to irrational mob mentality and need to be restrained from reacting out of reflex.
I guess I just don't have this fear that so many have as I realize that as long as man has existed, these struggles have continued and are nothing new. To be honest, I'm grateful that I happen to have lived in a relatively peaceful time in human existence when compared to much of our past. America has survived its founding and just barely so. We have survived two world wars and civil war that once threatened to tear the nation apart and put brother against brother. We have been through several serious economic crisis, political crisis and were minutes away from total global nuclear war, yet we remain. So to give any weight to such silly notions as posted in these types of chain mails that are more often written by political operatives than actual real citizens is to surrender reason to emotional reaction and fear. I refuse.
Great post, again, Hilltopper. Too much sense in it that won't be seen by most people of a political nature but maybe someone will see what I did in it. Speaking of peaceful, I lived through all the wars after World War I and managed to avoid fighting in any of them. I did have to enlist in 1954 because we had UMT then and nobody wanted to hire a teacher who may get drafted in the middle of a school year so I just extended the relatively carefree college years three more while in the army. I used a college deferment to stay out of the military during Korea. It is a long story how I managed that but I didn't understand the law or wouldn't have filled out that form that allowed me to be deferred.
Anyway, I voted for President the first time and since I was a hopeless Democrat in 1956 sent in my absentee ballot a month before the election since I was stationed in Italy, at the time. Soon after I mailed that thing I changed my mind because Stephenson turned out to be a dove and I didn't want that. Eisenhower was much better as President so I accepted him. I changed parties when the Democrats left me standing and nominated a socialist as their candidate. I have never seriously considered a Dem since then although I didn't always like the Republican candidate. Take 2000, when I refused to vote for a man who was too stupid as to allow Bill Clinton to get him elected. I didn't want Bush but couldn't accept a man who refused to allow Clinton to get him the election.
This past time I went for McCain although I didn't like the thought of him in the job because I knew what the Congress would be like and they haven't disappointed me up to now. It is not Obama that I fear, but Pelosi and Reid that I fear because I know what they are capable of. I think that Obama would be fine but some of the outright criminals he has surrounded himself with scare me. I will mention only Rahm Emanuel in that area. Of course, he has appointed too many tax evaders, also. Right now I think that we are seeing too much of the old time Chicago tactics being used and I have to fear those things.
Lately I have been thinking a lot about what Glenn Beck has been saying about where politics have taken us. Have you seen any of his diagrams about where we are? If so, remember that he is saying there is very little difference in the two parties. In fact, he says that they are no longer on the usual diagram of politics and political thinking but that both have moved so far left that they are vertical at the same point. He says that this nation started out in 1778 as very near anarchy without enough government and then wrote our present Constitution that was a bit further left but not much. He then goes on to point out that through various crises we have moved further and further left to the point that we are very near the all powerful government of Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler. Hey, that doesn't say socialist, communist or like that just all powerful central government.
I have seen these things like that for some time now and find that Beck makes too much sense with this thinking. I don't care about which party it is or whether one is the party of the people, neither is, or one the party of business, both are, I only care that we are going too far toward the all powerful government.
More from Beck is what he has said at the end of the past week. The states are actively trying to take back some of their powers form the central government that have been taken away by some of our crises, political and economic, and it will be Amendment 2 that the fight will be fought about. He says that Montana has the law in effect that will begin this thing and that Utah and Texas are very near like laws. I think it will be very interesting to see what happens but agree with Beck that it has to be before the second appointment by Obama to the Supreme Court. After that anything state oriented will be negated by the Court, in my opinion. I hope you understand what I am saying.
I have always been an American first and am always for what I think is best for the nation and to hell with politics but I have been forced, first by the AABs of 2000 and now by the radicals in control of the Congress to think as I do.
Keep talking because you are about to get through to some of the others whether to me or not.
Got any proof that "he" has "more lawyers working to keep his background covered, and more money to pay them than anyone has to beat them"?
Proof, roy. Got any proof? Not just statements of attorney bills paid, but itemized attorney invoices for the things you claim he pays attorneys to do.
Darn it, Austin I keep forgetting that those firms do what they are doing pro bono. But he does still have many millions left in his campaign fund and has to spend them somewhere.
Girl, we are going to get him although it is really too late now. He will be exposed and it will be too late to do anything good for the nation.
How do you know he has an Ivy League education? Has anyone seen the records? After all he is a son of Chicago politics.
Well he was the leader of that venerable law club in Harvard, many say. We have no proof that he has all those degrees or what his nation of citizenship was when he was in New York whether at Columbia, or not. We know so little about him other than his history in Chicago and his books and it is amazing that he got where he is without the media forcing more knowledge about him from him. We know less about him than anyone who has served. I still can't believe that he got there without proving all the things he should have proved to be inaugurated or even elected.
We know way more about Obama than we have known about lots of other presidents. No one ever knew FDR was in a wheelchair, or that JFK had Addison's Disease, just to give two examples.
He paid for his education with student loans. He supported his lifestyle (not all that lavish) by working, as a law professor, and with royalties from his book.
He spent most of his formative years in Hawaii. Herbert Hoover was also out of the country for long periods of time, again, to give just one example.
That is irrelevant.
Again, not the first pres in that situation. All Reagan ever did was make military training films. Cheney was a draft dodger, and Bush's "military" record is a joke.
That's all I can take on now. Most of the rest is opinion, not verifiable.
Don't you know about something called secret societies? You will never know how the powerful get to be powerful.
I don't know of any "right" I may have lost under bush. his agenda pushed towards taking my right to choice away. but we have term limits, even in 12 years he didn't. obama does not, would not, (even if he wanted too) take away your rights. I don't think either you or I have lost any "rights" under obama either. I don't think you could name a right obama has taken from us. his agenda may push towards an ideal or law that you don't agree with....but even when the congress is democratic are you ever going to lose your basic rights. heck, obama wants to talk to cuba and iran if he will engage these talks, he isn't worried in the least about curbing any naysayer's here in the usa. he and his congress could care less if "we" want to gripe about the way he runs his term. no worries as we say in the islands
I do believe that I have, in effect, lost some rights as a citizen since Obama's Secretary of Homeland Security has said that people like me are very dangerous and may be, in fact trying to enlist those so dangerous ex-soldiers to cause trouble. Napolitano surely did do just that when she put out that list of possible subversives to the state and local police all over the nation. A proclamation by a minor member of the administration did all that and Obama hasn't forced her to back down.
The EPA is getting ready to force beef producers to pay special taxes on their cattle because of flatulence caused breaking down the plants they eat. The EPA is deciding what we can do as for driving and what we drive. They are doing this for Algore's beliefs concerning non-existent global warming. The EPA is forcing us to make and use much more ethanol in our fuel and they have no idea how much of the water we, in my part of the world will waste on the growing of corn, and the production of ethanol or they ignore those facts.
Now I don't think Obama will try to limit any of this and he should be looking a bit harder at it than he is. I don't blame them for trying to push things because they aren't well enough informed about what they are doing, but the outcome will not be good. I don't know how much beef you people in the islands eat, although one of my best internet friends is from your area, but the price of beef will go sky high if they ever enforce that rule about cow farting. My son who is a producer of calves says he will have to sell off the whole thing. Feedlots that have at least 40,000 or near it won't be able to stay in business and will have to go out of business, and this thing will have a terrible effect on that industry from the ground up clear to the food market. They aren't listening to reason about that because methane gas has CO 2 in it.
What foolishness I have taken off into, but I am only wanting to say that government could easily be restricting my family's rights to eat beef. Of course, this is not a right but very near since they are all red meat eaters, but me.
You are right about no rights being taken during the Bush administration but you sounded so much like Moveon.org when talking there. They say that we lost all kinds of rights but I don't agree.
Since we aren't talking nasty to each other I am happy to talk to you about this subject. Maybe one of us or someone else will learn something. Some may even be able to see that two who don't agree can talk peacefully about something as serious as politics. Keep talking, I appreciate it.
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