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Old 06-05-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Wants to postpone childbearing: 25.5%
Wants no (more) children: 7.9%
Cannot afford a baby: 21.3%
Having a child will disrupt education or job: 10.8%
Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy: 14.1%
Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy: 12.2% Risk to maternal health: 2.8%
Risk to fetal health: 3.3%
Other: 2.1%
This bears repeating.

The abortionists theory up in smoke; life of mother/fetal health a whopping combination of 6%.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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This bears repeating.

The abortionists theory up in smoke; life of mother/fetal health a whopping combination of 6%.
Considering the amount of abortions performed after 21 weeks when life of the mother/fetal defect comes into play that is applicable is 1.1%... it looks like that pretty much would prove that theory and then some.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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True conservatives don't want GOVERNMENT interferring with their personal lives. I don't believe in legislating morality and am an advocate for the separation of chruch and state.

Like I said before these so called "Bible Belt" red states have the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rates compared to much lower rates for most of the northern states.
With that being said, I do not like abortion in general- especially late term. However, the decision rests with the individual. Like other posters have said, extraneous medical situations or other complexities may arise. It is not what I would call a black and white issue for some people. (It MAY BE a black and white issue for others, but that does not give them the right to force others to conform to their own personal views). The decision should ultimately be a personal one for the individual.
Another big item is education. The more educated the populace the more informed they are about birth control options. Abstinence only sex ed has been promoted by the religious right, but the statistics prove that teen pregnancies have increased over the past few years.

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This is my well thought out Independent viewpoint on the matter. I am not a liberal nor conservative. I am not pro-life nor pro-choice. I am a centrist on most issues.

However, centrist viewpoints are not respected in states like Kansas (where I used to live, unfortunately). I posted this same response on a Kansas thread and got threatening direct messages and was personally attacked for writing my viewpoint on the matter. I learned that you can't reason with hypocritical people (who are often Christian) who will not participate in an honest debate with you.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:09 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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If anyone wishes to read straight up, most recent, statistics without twisting or commentary from a website, here they are:

Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2005</FONT>
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
Linking "abortiontv" and their stats from 1994?

Here are the most recent stats from Guttmacher:
Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

Show me where it states these women are prostitutes or adulterers.

And you should really take a look at the countries banning abortion. They're pretty much all 3rd world, developing countries, or countries under Muslim rule. I'm sure you'd love to be associated with that, right?
You must not have read the whole page, the most recent stats ended in 2004
Here are some more.
Granted only half of the abortions are unwed, which is down from 60% due to teens being more careful, their numbers are down 23%.
Teenage Pregnancy - Abortion Rates - Unwed Pregnancy - Pregnancy Trends
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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You must not have read the whole page, the most recent stats ended in 2004
Here are some more.
Granted only half of the abortions are unwed, which is down from 60% due to teens being more careful, their numbers are down 23%.
Teenage Pregnancy - Abortion Rates - Unwed Pregnancy - Pregnancy Trends
Teen pregnancy rates tend to be much higher in many red states, overall.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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Social conservatives love to complain about government overbearance, but then love to pry into the personal lives of individuals they don't agree with ideologically. They also have a fit when a new supreme court nominee is not socially conservative enough for their tastes. That is the height of hypocrisy.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
This bears repeating.

The abortionists theory up in smoke; life of mother/fetal health a whopping combination of 6%.
What interests me about those statistics is that they are self-reported. The women fill out questionaires. And whoever made up the questionaire felt the need to ask the women to distinguish between wanting to postpone having children, and wanting to avoid disruption to education and job. Isn't the woman wanting to avoid a disruption wanting to postpone having children? It's the same thing isn't it? Isn't wanting to postpone having children and thinking you're too young the same thing, too? Isn't wanting to postpone having children until you can afford it just wanting to postpone?

The statistics are really only as good as the questions being asked. And the questions on these surveys sometimes seem designed to create confusion rather than to extract any meaningful information.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Teen pregnancy rates tend to be much higher in many red states, overall.
Yeh? so what, most other murders are in blue states...we are a murderous nation of self indulged ingrates.

Think we need to grow out of this pattern??? i do.
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Old 06-05-2009, 08:24 AM
 
Location: NE PA
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Social conservatives love to complain about government overbearance, but then love to pry into the personal lives of individuals they don't agree with ideologically. They also have a fit when a new supreme court nominee is not socially conservative enough for their tastes. That is the height of hypocrisy.
No....somebody has to look out for the lives of the human babies that are denied the right to live.....what about the "personal lives" of the defenseless unborn??????
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