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Originally Posted by fracturedman
Since unions will likely never go away I agree that they should not be mandatory or exclusive, But I also think that a business should reserve the right to do business as they see fit. Most employer problems come from stores that have forced unions in them. Albertsons is always on strike, and unions are always renegotiating contracts. I say give the union a one time deal for a fair contract get everything covered and leave it at that. Then the business should follow the contract and the union should not try to renegotioate their own contract after the fact.
If you signed a contract to buy a house or a car or even to rent an apartment, you would not be able to renegotiate a contract after you signed it. And if you where to strike or picket the signer of the contract would be able to either sue you or take back the property. Why should employment contracts be any different?
Union contracts run a period of time. Mine runs 5 years. Neither the union or the company can "renegotiate" anything in the contract. If either violates the contract, they can be sued by the other. If the company violates the contract and the union does not handle the matter, the employee can hire his own attorney and sue the company (and it does happen from time to time).
Unions belong anywhere people are hired to work for someone. These are the only way to keep profit driven unethical businesses from coercing employees to provide more work that they were hired to do. The individual employees need the protection because the businessses are big enough to take care of themselves.
You complain of freeloading lazy employees. Have you ever looked at managment?
Solidarity! Workers unite and support the One Big Union.
If thats the case,maybe we should unionize wall street,and the banks for that matter,and washington itself
Then they do not have to join, although it is hard to judge how many don't want to join, and how many do-but are afraid of retaliation from their bosses- including violence.
Every time I worked for a private sector employer I put in more time energy and effort than the job specs required. The response has always been the equivalent of "Good dog. Now do more for the same money." It has never been "Thanks, here is a bonus". I would then figure out just how little I could do without getting fired. It became a game.
When I had a job in Canada managing a project the Union Workers I hired did not have to be taught how to do their job. The guys in the US did and actually cost the company more.
I am so tired of hearing about unionizing of retail and grocery stores. Unions belong in jobs like labor, construction, medical and that's about it. Unionizing a grocery store or retail outlet is a joke.
A union in a store is only good to protect lazy people who don't want to do more than what they where hired to do and do bare minimum work, and not get fired over it.
This sickens me that we have become so lazy in our jobs that if we are hired to cashier and the business is slow, all we want to do is stand at our register and wait.
Grocery/retail/restaurant unions are a joke. You literally have to pay to work somewhere and the only way to be fired is to basically **** off the union.
I worked for Albertsons for a while and it was a union store, the union did jack for the workers. The benefits where a joke, and all the pro union employees where lazy, and did bare minimum work. I worked my but off to get promoted but, but no, everything is based off seniority. Promotions and raises should be based on hard work, work ethics, and experience, not based on how long you have worked for a company.
If this union bill passes it will be the downfall of the hard working man/woman. The term an honest days work will be long forgotten.
Sounds to me like you're angry over not being promoted, and are quick to place blame. If workers were not performing according to the contract, and were not fired, that's management's fault, not the union's fault. Seniority is something else spelled out in the contract.
I am so tired of hearing about unionizing of retail and grocery stores. Unions belong in jobs like labor, construction, medical and that's about it. Unionizing a grocery store or retail outlet is a joke.
A union in a store is only good to protect lazy people who don't want to do more than what they where hired to do and do bare minimum work, and not get fired over it.
This sickens me that we have become so lazy in our jobs that if we are hired to cashier and the business is slow, all we want to do is stand at our register and wait.
Grocery/retail/restaurant unions are a joke. You literally have to pay to work somewhere and the only way to be fired is to basically **** off the union.
I worked for Albertsons for a while and it was a union store, the union did jack for the workers. The benefits where a joke, and all the pro union employees where lazy, and did bare minimum work. I worked my but off to get promoted but, but no, everything is based off seniority. Promotions and raises should be based on hard work, work ethics, and experience, not based on how long you have worked for a company.
If this union bill passes it will be the downfall of the hard working man/woman. The term an honest days work will be long forgotten.
If a labor union is doing little more for workers than taking their money, the workers are supposed to have the good sense to vote to kick the union out.
Every time I worked for a private sector employer I put in more time energy and effort than the job specs required. The response has always been the equivalent of "Good dog. Now do more for the same money." It has never been "Thanks, here is a bonus". I would then figure out just how little I could do without getting fired. It became a game.
Exactly. That's the beauty of a labor contract. Metrics are set. If they are met, the agreement is satisfied. If not, out the door you go. If you perform above expectations, you either get a bonus, or you go back to producing what is required contractually.
Every other aspect of the business is put into writing - from management to the supply chain to the customer base. Why anyone would think labor should be any different is beyond me.
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When I had a job in Canada managing a project the Union Workers I hired did not have to be taught how to do their job. The guys in the US did and actually cost the company more.
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