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Old 06-09-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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So the workers, through the union, will eventually own the company. Not a bad idea. When the union owns the company the day of slacking off on the job will come to a sudden end. Slacking off when you are working for the Man is tolerable. Slacking off when the workers are literally working for themselves will not be tolerated by the other workers.

I cannot wait for the day when the people that actually make the cars can vote on the management’s salary.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So the workers, through the union, will eventually own the company. Not a bad idea. When the union owns the company the day of slacking off on the job will come to a sudden end. Slacking off when you are working for the Man is tolerable. Slacking off when the workers are literally working for themselves will not be tolerated by the other workers.

I cannot wait for the day when the people that actually make the cars can vote on the management’s salary.
Speak to masonry unions in Philly about this. Threatening to harass "The Real World" characters because the house was not originally not to be refurbished by union employees. Using John Street's political muscle to get the monopoly on any brick work done within city limits.

When you have politicians who'll go to the plate for you, who needs silly capitalist concepts like competition?
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:54 AM
 
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So the workers, through the union, will eventually own the company. Not a bad idea. When the union owns the company the day of slacking off on the job will come to a sudden end. Slacking off when you are working for the Man is tolerable. Slacking off when the workers are literally working for themselves will not be tolerated by the other workers.

I cannot wait for the day when the people that actually make the cars can vote on the management’s salary.
Good luck getting investors for that company. They've already been pushed aside and will certainly question the wisdom of investing in it when the union has more control.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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the only thing that will save GM is to make cars that people want to and can afford to buy.
True. I also wonder about the wisdom of closing franchises that were performing well. Who's going to sell the cars? There may be a clear rationale, but I don't know it.
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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Likely it will just end up like British Leyland, a company that makes poor products with poor quality and the workers will be striking all the time. Eventually the whole thing will collapse again.

I think there is hope for GM but only if they turn away from the government.

Jeremy Clarkson said back in the 90's that GM was just a pensions and healthcare company with the cars being built as an afterthought. Until they put building great cars back on the agenda, they go nowhere. GM isn't a jobs program. It's a car company.
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Jeremy Clarkson said back in the 90's that GM was just a pensions and healthcare company with the cars being built as an afterthought. Until they put building great cars back on the agenda, they go nowhere. GM isn't a jobs program. It's a car company.
That's the consequence of usurers, lawyers, and bureaucrats gaining power over production.

Just look at the Chevy Volt - 40 mile range.
But what happens when any accessory is turned on?
[] headlamps?
[] heater?
[] air conditioner?
[] fan?
[] power windows?
[] power steering?
[] windshield wipers?

They're all electric powered, and will diminish the range.
Not only that, but batteries are affected by temperature extremes.
If you thought a wintry -20 F caused problems with starting an engine with a dead battery, imagine when your Volt won't bolt.
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Old 06-09-2009, 12:15 PM
 
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Does anyone believe that 5-10 years from now GM will be a profitable, viable, solvent car company?
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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No. Not at all. Either they will be no more or will be propped up by government, if a dem is still in office and dems have control of congress.
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Old 06-09-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Does anyone believe that 5-10 years from now GM will be a profitable, viable, solvent car company?

Why not? Weren't they such a thing for over 50 years?

Why couldnt they be one again?

The biggest obstacle they face are the chorus of anti-American conservative voices on television and the radio. These people are doing everything they can to destroy American manufacturing, gleefully sending it off to China or trying to keep a failing company like GM from going completely under.

Watch todays Ed Schultz show on MSNBC, at the very beginning in the first 5 minutes, for a great explanation on the obstacles facing General Motors
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Why not? Weren't they such a thing for over 50 years?

Why couldnt they be one again?

The biggest obstacle they face are the chorus of anti-American conservative voices on television and the radio. These people are doing everything they can to destroy American manufacturing, gleefully sending it off to China or trying to keep a failing company like GM from going completely under.

Watch todays Ed Schultz show on MSNBC, at the very beginning in the first 5 minutes, for a great explanation on the obstacles facing General Motors
Conservatives were once big on "Buy American". They drove the big trucks and liberals drove the imports. (big generalization, I know) But now they would love to see jobs sacrificed in the US because they hate the president. As a small business owner it sickens me that they would try to put my neighbor out of business in the name of proving a point.
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