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Old 06-30-2009, 04:46 AM
 
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Thanks for articulating the mentality of the give me crowd.
The Mayo Clinic runs itself that way, those commies.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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I dont care who runs the health care, i just dont like that its for profit...life and death should never be for profit, pay the bills and the doctors and don't have publicly traded hospitals
Guess what. It's the profit motive that has attracted the best and the brightest to medicine. It's the profit motive that has meant that most new medications are developed in this country. It's the profit motive that has driven individuals to invent and perfect the most advanced medical technology in the world. Remove the profit motive and what do you get? The public education system. 'Nuff said.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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What France has could NEVER be replicated here. Ours would be more like a former combloc country's UHC system like Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, or Poland, with corruption and massive bureaucracy at the very core. I personally know of several individuals in these countries and they despise it.
So, you consider the United States of America a third world country?
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So, you consider the United States of America a third world country?
Nope. I do, however, consider any implementation of government programs to be on par, quality wise, with a third world country. At least, in terms of level of efficiency (money spent vs. benefit) So far, I have not been disappointed.

The reason for this is completely rational. We have a heterogeneous culture, too diverse and not appropriate for a welfare state. The most effective model for this type of society is a pure capitalist one.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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Guess what. It's the profit motive that has attracted the best and the brightest to medicine. It's the profit motive that has meant that most new medications are developed in this country. It's the profit motive that has driven individuals to invent and perfect the most advanced medical technology in the world. Remove the profit motive and what do you get? The public education system. 'Nuff said.
It's the profit motive that attracts the greediest to medicine. The best and the brightest would do it for free.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Nope. I do, however, consider any implementation of government programs to be on par, quality wise, with a third world country. At least, in terms of level of efficiency (money spent vs. benefit) So far, I have not been disappointed.

The reason for this is completely rational. We have a heterogeneous culture, too diverse and not appropriate for a welfare state. The most effective model for this type of society is a pure capitalist one.
I see you point however, the capitalist one is failing. You could argue the government has interfered causing major issues now these past 20-30 years and if it got out of the way things would be better but I have my doubts and the major one is greed directly from the insurance industry which owns our government.
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Old 06-30-2009, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I see you point however, the capitalist one is failing. You could argue the government has interfered causing major issues now these past 20-30 years and if it got out of the way things would be better but I have my doubts and the major one is greed directly from the insurance industry which owns our government.
Then the problem is with corporatism, not capitalism. Capitalism prevents greed, because with greed comes risk of losing everything. When banks get bailouts after leveraging themselves up with Fannie/Freddie junk paper, do you suppose that's capitalism? The Federal Reserve fixing interest rates at 1% (and now at 0-0.25%) instead of letting the market decide them is also hurting us.

Guaranteed we'll fall in the category of Greece or Portugal for quality of care, probably a tad lower. Maybe an improvement in the aggregate, but we could do far far better with a streamlined capitalist one.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I dont care who runs the health care, i just dont like that its for profit...life and death should never be for profit, pay the bills and the doctors and don't have publicly traded hospitals
In America Health has nothing to do with your Healthcare. If you have money in America you can get Healthcare. If you have Enough money in America you can virtually write your own prescriptions..... Ask Elvis, Anna Nichole Smith and Michael Jackson.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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Give me a break! Obama isn't advocating government run health care. John Conyers with his HR676 single-payer bill, isn't even advocating government run health care; it's privately run, government funded. This is the best type of system. According to a 2000 WHO report every industrialized country with a single-payer system ranked better than the US in overall performance. The US was ranked #37 and the main reason it was ranked so low was because of how much it costs, which is inevitable under a for profit system with 22% of the costs going towards overhead and 31% of the costs going towards bureaucracy in general. This is the reason that we spend a higher percentage of our GDP on health care (17%) than any other country in the world and we still have 45 million uninsured.
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:30 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Give me a break! Obama isn't advocating government run health care. John Conyers with his HR676 single-payer bill, isn't even advocating government run health care; it's privately run, government funded. This is the best type of system. According to a 2000 WHO report every industrialized country with a single-payer system ranked better than the US in overall performance. The US was ranked #37 and the main reason it was ranked so low was because of how much it costs, which is inevitable under a for profit system with 22% of the costs going towards overhead and 31% of the costs going towards bureaucracy in general. This is the reason that we spend a higher percentage of our GDP on health care (17%) than any other country in the world and we still have 45 million uninsured.
This is what MANY on here DO NOT understand. A UHC is NOT run by the GOVT. It is funded by the Govt and guidlines are put on the service to protect the user and the medical staff. The Doctors and Medical professionals make the decisions and run the Health Service. At the Moment the Insurance Companies Decide on your health care and what they will or will not fund. Doctors Decide on your Health Regime in a UHC and it isn't based on your ability to pay, unlike in the USA right now.
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