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You didn't mention whether she gave her her PIN or not.
You'd have to have it to use her card, wouldn't you?[/quote]
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emh[/u];9707303]Yeah, I noticed that too. Throw in the nonsensical McDonald's aspect of the story and....well, you can draw your own conclusions but my BS detector says this is a made-up story.
SHE DID hand me her pin.
And The BS you are smelling, emh, comes from your own Butt. Im not lying? Why would I?
And for some of you who wondered how I knew she was using food stamps? Well, the man in front of me handed his card to the cashier and she has an issue processing it so she calls for help and the supervisor comes over. I overhear very clearly their conversion. He was using food stamps. And his card was the exact same type card as both my coworkers showed me earlier. The other customers in the line next to mine also pulled up this same card.
Please, I am not saying everybody is abusing it. But after what my coworker did earlier I really wonder how common this abuse is.
Last edited by glass_of_merlot; 07-11-2009 at 08:24 AM..
Oh, I've thought it through. I said that the very old and the very young needed assistance. That's basically it. Everyone else just needs to work a little harder and, most importantly, a little smarter.
So disabled people should just "work harder"? If someone - as many have and still are - loses their job and suddenly has little to no income, they should just starve? With an unemployment rate at an official level of 9+ percent, there are more people out there who need a hand up than just the very old and the very young.
It does not take into account others who find themselves in a position to need assistance. For instance - my first husband was disabled. He was legally blind (and has probably lost all of his sight by now) and had disabling asthma. Even though he was more than willing to work, no one could hire him because of insurance issues. In the mid-1980's, he received $276 a month in SSI benefits, plus Medicaid. Had I worked over a certain (very low) amount, he would have lost his benefits, which would have included losing Medicaid. At an average of 6 hospitalizations per year for asthma, plus multiple ER visits, I don't think we'd have been off assistance for very long.
Now, to look at us at the time - a young couple in our 20's, apparently healthy - you would never have known that he was disabled. When I was with him, he didn't use a cane, so we used a hand-holding guiding system. The poster who suggested that anyone who isn't very old or very young is lazy would have immediately decided that we were scamming the system. In reality, our worst offense was buying items a few cents over a dollar so that we could use the change to buy luxuries like toilet paper, tampons, and laundry detergent.
So disabled people should just "work harder"? If someone - as many have and still are - loses their job and suddenly has little to no income, they should just starve? With an unemployment rate at an official level of 9+ percent, there are more people out there who need a hand up than just the very old and the very young.
Disabilities...like ADD and alcoholism? I'm tired of paying for people who make bad lifestyle choices. Too many children, not enough education. It's time for people to take responsibility for their decisions. We all have access to public education k-12. the 'hand up' all too easily becomes a lifelong handout...one which is becoming more expensive to continue.
No, the question you should be asking is: how is a girl working full time living with mom ABLE to scam the government for food stamps. There are people who know and work the system well.
Actually - there are groups and organizations that actually teach how to game the system. I've read threads on citadata in states like Michigan and New Jersey that were a real eye opener.
This is the top organization that trains people to "game" the system.
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ACORN was formed from the old National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) that staged protests at welfare offices during the 1960s. The NWRO’s goal was to eliminate welfare eligibility restrictions, which would mean that anyone could get on the public dole. They wanted to get as many people as possible on welfare, until it caused a radical restructuring of the United States governmental system, and they wanted that shift to move towards a socialistic one. NWRO, and subsequently ACORN, believe that capitalism, the economic system that has allowed our country to move forward to the point that it has, is evil and does not allow the majority to flourish, despite all evidence to the contrary.
As of June 23 - ACORN (which has many other groups, using other names under it's umbrella) will try to escape the stigma and watchful eyes by becoming COI. Cute. They will probably get away with continuing their fraud - most of the media has no interest and the Government Administration actively supports ACORN, makes sure it's well funded and given Government contracts.
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The controversial group Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, orACORN, has changed its name to Community Organizations International. The group also threatens a lawsuit to any person who speaks ill of the group, especially if they were former members, which many claim is in attempt to silence dissenters who may threaten the organization’s future. The organization has been investigated in no less than 14 states in relation to voter fraud and members of ACORN have admitted in court to voting multiple times in swing vote states and to registering deceased people, criminals, and those who were not directly contacted by the organization, to vote. Dale Rathke, a prominent member and brother of Wade Rathke, the founder of ACORN, embezzled about $1 million through ACORN partner and New Orleans, Louisiana based non-profit Citizen’s Consulting Inc (CCI). ACORN members were one of the organizations behind a push for President Barack Obama’s election and were used to get citizens to register, many in poor and
inner-city neighborhoods, and were behind the Project Vote campaign.
40% of ACORN funds come from federal and state funding (meaning your tax dollars), and during the recession last year, they received $11 million, which is enough to keep over 100 teachers in a job. Because Project Vote is a non-profit, it is not supposed to promote partisan activities, but even a lawyer of ACORN, Elizabeth Kingsley, could not confirm whether the Project Vote campaign was conducted in a non-partisan manner or not, and many who have come across Project Vote volunteers feel that it was not. There were also rumors that President Obama was once a “leadership trainer†for ACORN.
FYI...90% of food stamp recipients have incomes below the poverty line. One-third have incomes below HALF the poverty line. The median stay on food stamps is just under six months. 57% are no longer on the program after one year, 71% after two years. Long-term food stamp recipients are typically elderly and/or disabled.
Disabilities...like ADD and alcoholism? I'm tired of paying for people who make bad lifestyle choices. Too many children, not enough education. It's time for people to take responsibility for their decisions. We all have access to public education k-12. the 'hand up' all too easily becomes a lifelong handout...one which is becoming more expensive to continue.
You know... even if they are an alcoholic.. I don't want to see them starve.
Aside from that, there are places in this country where work is extremely difficult to find and it may take time to find another job after losing one. And of course there are the families of those looking for work that are also effected.
It just seems to me that in the big picture.... this isn't a huge expense, provides a lot of benefit, and the fraud rate is apparently low.
But, if you suspect someone is cheating and can show some evidence, rather than post stories on the web only with your assumptions and without any insight as to what the real situation is, report it!
And The BS you are smelling, emh, comes from your own Butt. Im not lying? Why would I?
And for some of you who wondered how I knew she was using food stamps? Well, the man in front of me handed his card to the cashier and she has an issue processing it so she calls for help and the supervisor comes over. I overhear very clearly their conversion. He was using food stamps. And his card was the exact same type card as both my coworkers showed me earlier. The other customers in the line next to mine also pulled up this same card.
Please, I am not saying everybody is abusing it. But after what my coworker did earlier I really wonder how common this abuse is.
My my you do have a way with words. I'll grant you that.
Let's see....in your original story you stated that your co-worker drives a brand new corvette. Of course, it turns out that the corvette doesn't belong to her. So what was the point of putting that in the original story? It seems to me that the reason you did this was to embellish your story and make the situation sound worse than it really is. And yet, somehow, I'm supposed to take your word that the rest of your story is 100% true??? Sorry, but I'll pass.
Secondly, as has been pointed out my multiple posters, Food Stamps can only be used at McDonald's in rare circumstances. Circumstances that clearly don't apply to your co-worker. You have yet to offer any explanation for that.
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Foodstamps used in restaurants has been allowed for years. Sure there are all kinds of "rules" about what the cards can be used for but nobody follows those because there is NO accountability. If a restaurant is on the approved list - it doesn't matter what the card is used for.
That's a big part of the whole "welfare" issue - people need a safety net, but it's all becoming a hammock. Many sign up and never get off - not much regulation or accountability. It's beyond ludicrous to sign on to a program for a 5 year stint, allow for private in home child or elder care performed by family members already living in the home. This becomes fraud on a massive scale .... it's very expensive and worse - it perpetuates dependency which ultimately hurts the entire community.
so what do our CongressCritters do next - yep, you guessed it. Not jobs for these out of work people but more dollars to add more people to the public dole.
Another 60+ Billion for Welfare - one in 9 Americans is on Food Stamps today ... we will see if we can get that number up to 5 in 10. When 1/2 the population is finally supported by the Government, then the party that pays for them - owns them and their votes.
Yeah, and your source for these claims is what? These are "the dog ate my homework" claims that already didn't work in the third grade.
Knowing someone that did it. How is that a source for you
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