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Old 07-23-2009, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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I don't watch MSNBC but Chris Matthews let this guy have it!

‘Birther’ Boom - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com
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Old 07-23-2009, 07:49 PM
 
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Whatever. That Taitz woman's accent is so thick yoiu could cut it with a knife. She worries about others not being born here?

As for refusing to deploy in a combat operation by an soldier? Especially with some wackjob claim the CinC is an illegal alien?

That is cowardice in the face of the enemy and we had 1911A1s for people like him.
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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Gotta love Jon Stewart! more----> The Smirking Cynic 2.0 » Blog Archive » Dear Birthers (http://www.smirkingcynic.com/?p=548 - broken link)
Tried to give you a rep point for this one, but the system wouldn't let me.

However, great post/link. I laughed so hard at the Orly Taitz part.......dentist, lawyer, and real estate agt! LOL LOL
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national(A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen)
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
How many times does this have to be posted before some of the birthers will read it?
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Old 07-23-2009, 09:43 PM
 
Location: here.
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How many times does this have to be posted before some of the birthers will read it?
ill go again

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national(A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen)
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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How many times does this have to be posted before some of the birthers will read it?
Snooze Max and Rush Limpy will have to spread it over the media before birthers will read it, I'm afraid.
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Old 07-23-2009, 10:57 PM
 
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Default I found it on the Internet!

This changes everything!

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Old 07-23-2009, 11:00 PM
 
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This changes everything!
roflh

Well, now I've a soda pop mess to clean up, thanks.
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Old 07-23-2009, 11:05 PM
 
Location: Brusssels
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Those birthers are cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Between wacko ideas like this, talk of seceding from the union, and using their "Let's attack Iraq"-like scare-tactics on health care, the Reps are just ensuring that the Democrats will crush them in 2010, 2012, and beyond.
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Old 07-23-2009, 11:07 PM
 
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Rep. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))




Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained that to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the affect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
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