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I appreciate the inclusive tone, but I think Mardi Gras is a hugely different issue. There's no struggle for heterosexual rights, and there's only one big Mardi Gras event, and no one really categorizes it as a "heterosexual event". It just is what it is.
The gay parades are a problem, I believe, because there is a struggle for acceptance of homosexuality in society, and there are parades in every city in America, and because gays are a small minority, it's much easier to stereotype them than it is to stereotype heterosexuals.
It's apples and oranges - to borrow a phrase you've used in the past.
You know - you really ought to quit while you're ahead. Many of us are tired of hearing about your struggle for rights in that you have all the legal rights that I or anyone else has. That is all you can hope to achieve. You are not going to get control of the way others think about homosexual behavior and you sound like a person more than intelligent enough to understand that. To live a life of frustration pursuing an unattainable goal makes no sense to me. And please don't try to make your case by comparing your "struggle" with that for racial equality. It is not the same.
I must confess that I am a little surprised, in today's PC society where "diversity and inclusion" has become a national religion, by the way this thread has developed. Most posters have been very civil and respectful, but less supportive than I think would have been the case a few years ago. And the poll results are clear.
Now why is that? Just my opinion, but I'd say it is because your "cause" has been in our faces so much recently and people are tired of it. That is why I say you ought to quit while you're ahead. And when I say "you" I don't mean you personally as much as I mean those on your side who are loud, flamboyant, and obnoxious. Your tone here has been quite civil and controlled.
When you talk about trying to achieve "acceptance of homosexuality in society", what you're attempting is to get control of other people's thoughts. It isn't going to happen.
You know - you really ought to quit while you're ahead. Many of us are tired of hearing about your struggle for rights in that you have all the legal rights that I or anyone else has. That is all you can hope to achieve. You are not going to get control of the way others think about homosexual behavior and you sound like a person more than intelligent enough to understand that. To live a life of frustration pursuing an unattainable goal makes no sense to me. And please don't try to make your case by comparing your "struggle" with that for racial equality. It is not the same.
I must confess that I am a little surprised, in today's PC society where "diversity and inclusion" has become a national religion, by the way this thread has developed. Most posters have been very civil and respectful, but less supportive than I think would have been the case a few years ago. And the poll results are clear.
Now why is that? Just my opinion, but I'd say it is because your "cause" has been in our faces so much recently and people are tired of it. That is why I say you ought to quit while you're ahead. And when I say "you" I don't mean you personally as much as I mean those on your side who are loud, flamboyant, and obnoxious. Your tone here has been quite civil and controlled.
When you talk about trying to achieve "acceptance of homosexuality in society", what you're attempting is to get control of other people's thoughts. It isn't going to happen.
You really just gave off your personal opinion as fact. You have no idea what can happen in the future, and there is no way of knowing how Americans will feel about homosexuality in the future generations. What we DO know is that gays have been becoming more and more accepted the past couple decades. So to have a gay pride parade and to KEEP the homosexual lifestyle in the face of Americans can only help their cause, because people become accustomed to it.
Thats how all bigotry starts in the first place, a fear of something you don't understand. But having so many gay people on tv or on the news only helps Americans to understand gays better. It may not be enough to get this generation to rid themselves of homosexual prejudice, but maybe the next.
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You know - you really ought to quit while you're ahead. Many of us are tired of hearing about your struggle for rights in that you have all the legal rights that I or anyone else has. That is all you can hope to achieve. You are not going to get control of the way others think about homosexual behavior and you sound like a person more than intelligent enough to understand that. To live a life of frustration pursuing an unattainable goal makes no sense to me. And please don't try to make your case by comparing your "struggle" with that for racial equality. It is not the same.
I must confess that I am a little surprised, in today's PC society where "diversity and inclusion" has become a national religion, by the way this thread has developed. Most posters have been very civil and respectful, but less supportive than I think would have been the case a few years ago. And the poll results are clear.
Now why is that? Just my opinion, but I'd say it is because your "cause" has been in our faces so much recently and people are tired of it. That is why I say you ought to quit while you're ahead. And when I say "you" I don't mean you personally as much as I mean those on your side who are loud, flamboyant, and obnoxious. Your tone here has been quite civil and controlled.
When you talk about trying to achieve "acceptance of homosexuality in society", what you're attempting is to get control of other people's thoughts. It isn't going to happen.
You know - you really ought to quit while you're ahead.
Thanks, but I can make that decision for myself. I'm an adult.
It's interesting that you and one other poster (maybe you're both the same person) have felt a need to tell me that I "ought to quit while I'm ahead". It does come across as condescending, in case you didn't know it.
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Many of us are tired of hearing about your struggle for rights in that you have all the legal rights that I or anyone else has.
I'm sorry that you have an "us versus them" mentality about this. I don't.
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You are not going to get control of the way others think about homosexual behavior
What gave you the impression that I was trying to control the way others think about homosexual behavior. Was it simply because I generated this discussion? I like to talk about things. If you read my posts, you'd see that I wasn't trying to control anyone.
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To live a life of frustration pursuing an unattainable goal makes no sense to me.
I think you're really misreading me. I'm not living a life of frustration at all. I find it strange that you think I am.
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And please don't try to make your case by comparing your "struggle" with that for racial equality. It is not the same.
I never planned to do that. Interesting that you assumed I would.
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Just my opinion, but I'd say it is because your "cause" has been in our faces so much recently and people are tired of it. That is why I say you ought to quit while you're ahead. And when I say "you" I don't mean you personally as much as I mean those on your side who are loud, flamboyant, and obnoxious. Your tone here has been quite civil and controlled.
Thank you. I guess this means that you have read some of my posts, but it's still perplexing that you got the impression that I was trying to change minds or somehow promote homosexuality. Did you see that I repeatedly said I believe the gay parades leave a negative impression on most people? I have a feeling that you saw that I was gay and just decided that I must be trying to promote it.
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When you talk about trying to achieve "acceptance of homosexuality in society", what you're attempting is to get control of other people's thoughts. It isn't going to happen.
No, again, I'm not trying to control other people's thoughts. The fact is that homosexuality is much more accepted than it was even 10 years ago. Does that mean that homosexuals are controlling the minds of heterosexuals? No. It means that attitudes evolve and change through our relationships and our experiences with people who are different from us.
If you care to continue with this dialog, be my guest. I can't say that I really enjoy being misunderstood, but I'll probably keep talking as long as people keep making comments on this thread.
Would you say liberals by and large approve of that public behavior?
No. Public sex is not appropriate behavior. It is best left for places designated for sexual activity. The vast majority of all people would agree. Then again, given that "liberal" states tend to have less abortions, less porn purchases, less teen pregnancies, and lower divorce rates, if liberals DO "by and large" approve of that kind of public behavior, maybe they're doing something right.
Again, however, I ask... how is the "Up your Alley" fair all that "public?" It is on a closed off street, and I'm pretty sure you have to buy tickets to "get in." Maybe they should move it to a warehouse if they want to strut around, but I'm still at a loss as to how it affects YOU... or "the public" who does not want to see it..... since I'm fairly sure you have to consciously GO to the sex fair to see naked bits and sex acts.
Why on earth would anyone compare a sex fair to a pride parade?
Why on earth would anyone compare a sex fair to a pride parade?
It's obvious. They're anti-gay and they want to convince others to be anti-gay, so they try to make people believe that a very sexually-oriented event on a closed-off street in San Francisco represents all gay pride parades in the United States.
To be honest, pride parades give me no particular impression at all. The one in Brooklyn in Park Slope is a pretty boring affair as far as scandalous behavior is concerned. Just people marching with floats and maybe some step dancing, politicians, churches, organizations each coming out to celebrate inclusiveness.
Thanks, but I can make that decision for myself. I'm an adult.
It's interesting that you and one other poster (maybe you're both the same person) have felt a need to tell me that I "ought to quit while I'm ahead". It does come across as condescending, in case you didn't know it.
I'm sorry that you have an "us versus them" mentality about this. I don't.
What gave you the impression that I was trying to control the way others think about homosexual behavior. Was it simply because I generated this discussion? I like to talk about things. If you read my posts, you'd see that I wasn't trying to control anyone.
I think you're really misreading me. I'm not living a life of frustration at all. I find it strange that you think I am.
I never planned to do that. Interesting that you assumed I would.
Thank you. I guess this means that you have read some of my posts, but it's still perplexing that you got the impression that I was trying to change minds or somehow promote homosexuality. Did you see that I repeatedly said I believe the gay parades leave a negative impression on most people? I have a feeling that you saw that I was gay and just decided that I must be trying to promote it.
No, again, I'm not trying to control other people's thoughts. The fact is that homosexuality is much more accepted than it was even 10 years ago. Does that mean that homosexuals are controlling the minds of heterosexuals? No. It means that attitudes evolve and change through our relationships and our experiences with people who are different from us.
If you care to continue with this dialog, be my guest. I can't say that I really enjoy being misunderstood, but I'll probably keep talking as long as people keep making comments on this thread.
We are not the same person but I just rep'd him/her.
It was a foregone conclusion that you would argue those points as well.
You do more damage to your "cause" and "quest" than, obviously, you're capable of comprehending.
You clearly didn't want any opinions that you don't share and you twisted them as fast as you received them.
Well no matter how much you guys don't like it, gay pride parades and music festival celebrations are not going to stop. There's too many people out there that love to express themselves and go wild. We aren't doing it in front of your house, or in the road in front of your kids school, so why do you care? Thats like saying you shouldn't be able to go to church because we don't think cult gatherings should be allowed. I don't care what you do as long as you aren't infringing on anyone else's rights.
Agree 100% - great post!
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