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Here is the BIGGEST problem in my opinion: The DEMOCRATS LIE AND ARE LYING - the INSIST single payer is not on the radar screen.
THEY LIE - and as more information like this comes out, it is going to cause the Democrats to lose more and more CREDIBILITY which is going to ultimately cause them to lose many seats in Congress and then lose the White House.
Allow me to disagree with you here. Single payer system is not in the current bill, nor being actively planned, at this time. Single payer "speculation" is the result of being convinced that once a public , non -profit plan is offered, that many employers will choose to switch to such a plan as it will be less expensive for them, and that many health insurance companies will not choose to compete due to the fact that corporate profits will necessarily decrease. These, reasons, combined with the conviction that those countries that have UHC, have a much better served and happier populace, where health care is concerned, than we currently have in the U.S., leads one to the logical conclusion that, with the exception of concierge services, and practices devoted to voluntary procedures, the "free market" health care system will not sucessfully compete. On the other hand, it does appear that many countries with UHC do have private "supplemental" plans, and likely this will be the case here, too. . . this is not "lying", it is laying out a likely, although not certain scenario, based on experience in other places. . .
I personally belive that private insurance will continue to thrive in the U.S., if the huge profits now being made in that business can be moderated. . .
I find it mind-boggling to watch regular folks, of the "Republican" persuasion, fighting so hard on behalf of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies who regularly deny people medical care. It's astounding, really. A true testament, I guess, to the manipulative power of FOX News. Don't you people know that you're being manipulated by paid shills for these industries????
Because, other lawyers all over the country, including some of the finest constitutional lawyers have raised the issue
If the government closes the insurance companies - that is called a taking - and the government will have to purchase the assets - all of them - and compensate the stockholders for the fair market value of their stock -
BUT, leaders of the democratic party have been clear - the bill is the first step
And I think that rather than trying to hide the fact that it MAY BE a first step, if the private insurance companies cannot or do not wish to compete, they are being open, honest and realistic about possible consequenses!
Allow me to disagree with you here. Single payer system is not in the current bill, nor being actively planned, at this time. Single payer "speculation" is the result of being convinced that once a public , non -profit plan is offered, that many employers will choose to switch to such a plan as it will be less expensive for them, and that many health insurance companies will not choose to compete due to the fact that corporate profits will necessarily decrease.
Actually, H.R. 3200 already includes the single-payer plan mechanism under Section 102. If you do not have health insurance the day the bill is enacted into law, you will automatically be forced to buy the government plan after paying thousands of dollars in fines (7% of your taxable income to be precise). If you DO have health insurance the day before the bill was enacted into law, but change any portion of your policy, then you will automatically be forced to buy the government plan. If you have health insurance the day before the bill was enacted into law, and do NOT change your policy, then you can keep your health insurance for a period not to exceed 5 years, after which time you will be forced to buy the government plan.
So within 5 years of enacting H.R. 3200 into law, every American will be forced into the single-payer government plan. It is all laid out in Section 102. I suggest you actually take the time to read it, because your Congress critter won't.
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Originally Posted by cap1717
These, reasons, combined with the conviction that those countries that have UHC, have a much better served and happier populace, where health care is concerned, than we currently have in the U.S., leads one to the logical conclusion that, with the exception of concierge services, and practices devoted to voluntary procedures, the "free market" health care system will not sucessfully compete. On the other hand, it does appear that many countries with UHC do have private "supplemental" plans, and likely this will be the case here, too. . . this is not "lying", it is laying out a likely, although not certain scenario, based on experience in other places. . .
I personally belive that private insurance will continue to thrive in the U.S., if the huge profits now being made in that business can be moderated. . .
I don't know where you get the idea that people in countries with UHC are "better served" when they have to wait years for simple surgery, being told they can't receive treatment, or can't obtain treatment because the medical profession is fleeing those countries in droves.
Take Canada as an example, they have already closed hundreds of hospitals, thus denying medical treatment to those who were serviced by those hospitals, because they do not have the medical personnel to staff them. The reason they don't have the medical staff is because they are fleeing Canada for the US by the thousands.
Take the UK as another example, people are flying to other countries, like India and the US, in order to get simple surgical procedures done that their own UHC will not provide. France is also suffering the same money shortages and have also resorted to rationing their UHC. In fact, no where UHC has ever been applied has been successful, and that is why these socialist nations are abandonning their failed UHC programs and have started to return back to the private sector for health care.
There will be no private health insurance providers 5 years after H.R. 3200 becomes law, they will be illegal.
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