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Originally Posted by Thursday007 COBRA cost more than 50% of your pay if you get unemployed right now. Never has unemployment been a more real potential event than right now. What would you do then pommysmommy?
Most people don't pay it is what happens and then end up with astronomical medical bills and then they file bankruptsy and most bankruptsies are for excessive medical bills- guess who pays for that? You do.
I'm not proposing any answers here just providing some info on the big picture of reality.
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Originally Posted by pommysmommy
Until the end of Dec 2009, your COBRA is subsidized by the government if you are laid off.
Boy, if this isn't the most ludacris thought process I've ever seen. Lady, you talk out both sides of your mouth and don't even know where you are in your own arguement.
First, for years the COBRA system was ineffective for reasons stated above so we are still feeling that. It is a known fact that medical cost are the prime reason for bankruptsy and you the consumer pay for that in every item you purchase from groceries to health care.
Point two - who pays this temporary Cobra benefit until December 2009? The government and where does the Government get its money? FROM YOU. You say you are against paying for government health care - BUT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT and are proposing it here like it's a good thing. Make up your mind! Point three - what happens after December 2009? Point four - and you lose your income except for unemployment?
Debating an issue is all well and good but for god sake do your basic homework. And now you go and start a couple more threads on the same subject? Oh this is rich.
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No. Clearly those who can't afford to pay anything won't pay anything. And those who can afford to pay extra will pay extra. It will be no different than anything else in our tax code.
This is what alarms me the most about UHC ... The proponents cannot even provide us with how much this system will cost us. We are supposed to just blindly trust our inept, inefficient, wasteful government without counting the costs involved. Sounds like a recipe for economic disaster.
It never ceases to amaze me just how much blind faith people put in insurance industry run health care considering the profits the industry is putting up, the amount of money they spent on political donations and lobbying, the amount spent on sales and marketing, the fact that they use income from premiums to hire people to whose job it is to find reasons to deny coverage to policy holders. And then they still have deductibles, co-pays, exclusions and coverage caps. Talk about flushing money down the toilet....
This is what alarms me the most about UHC ... The proponents cannot even provide us with how much this system will cost us. We are supposed to just blindly trust our inept, inefficient, wasteful government without counting the costs involved. Sounds like a recipe for economic disaster.
And yet we know that we pay more per person than any other country in the world -- though we fail to provide care to everyone -- with the system we have but people like you want to desperately cling to it. Why? We know Medicare has the lowest administrative costs of any insurance program -- no profits, no lobbying, no political contributions, minimal marketing.
You want economic disaster? Stick to the insurance-company run health care system tied to employment. That's the economic disaster we are living with.
This is what alarms me the most about UHC ... The proponents cannot even provide us with how much this system will cost us. We are supposed to just blindly trust our inept, inefficient, wasteful government without counting the costs involved. Sounds like a recipe for economic disaster.
This seems to be the only argument against health insurance. To me, you try and save lives and worry about how to pay for it afterwards, instead of the republican way of just letting the less fortunate people fend for themselves.
Originally Posted by Thursday007 COBRA cost more than 50% of your pay if you get unemployed right now. Never has unemployment been a more real potential event than right now. What would you do then pommysmommy?
Most people don't pay it is what happens and then end up with astronomical medical bills and then they file bankruptsy and most bankruptsies are for excessive medical bills- guess who pays for that? You do.
I'm not proposing any answers here just providing some info on the big picture of reality.
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Boy, if this isn't the most ludacris thought process I've ever seen. Lady, you talk out both sides of your mouth and don't even know where you are in your own arguement.
First, for years the COBRA system was ineffective for reasons stated above so we are still feeling that. It is a known fact that medical cost are the prime reason for bankruptsy and you the consumer pay for that in every item you purchase from groceries to health care.
Point two - who pays this temporary Cobra benefit until December 2009? The government and where does the Government get its money? FROM YOU. You say you are against paying for government health care - BUT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT and are proposing it here like it's a good thing. Make up your mind! Point three - what happens after December 2009? Point four - and you lose your income except for unemployment?
Debating an issue is all well and good but for god sake do your basic homework. And now you go and start a couple more threads on the same subject? Oh this is rich.
The COBRA subsidy is part of the ARRA legislation. You do know about ARRA right? Where did I post that I supported this government subsidy?
Originally Posted by Thursday007 COBRA cost more than 50% of your pay if you get unemployed right now. Never has unemployment been a more real potential event than right now. What would you do then pommysmommy?
Most people don't pay it is what happens and then end up with astronomical medical bills and then they file bankruptsy and most bankruptsies are for excessive medical bills- guess who pays for that? You do.
I'm not proposing any answers here just providing some info on the big picture of reality.
__________________________________________________ ____________
Boy, if this isn't the most ludacris thought process I've ever seen. Lady, you talk out both sides of your mouth and don't even know where you are in your own arguement.
First, for years the COBRA system was ineffective for reasons stated above so we are still feeling that. It is a known fact that medical cost are the prime reason for bankruptsy and you the consumer pay for that in every item you purchase from groceries to health care.
Point two - who pays this temporary Cobra benefit until December 2009? The government and where does the Government get its money? FROM YOU. You say you are against paying for government health care - BUT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING IT and are proposing it here like it's a good thing. Make up your mind! Point three - what happens after December 2009? Point four - and you lose your income except for unemployment?
Debating an issue is all well and good but for god sake do your basic homework. And now you go and start a couple more threads on the same subject? Oh this is rich.
Many of these people won't even have Bankruptcy to fall back on. Many have already done so to get out of upside down houses. They may have made many bad choices in their lives but can America have tens of millions of Seniors living on the street because we refuse to address Nationalized Health Care
Oh, and everybody does know that the rich pay NOTHING into social security, right? In fact, you don't even have to be "rich," per se. If you make over $100,000 (could be lower--I've forgotten the exact amount), you are exempt from paying social security tax.
Exempt on the amount ABOVE the maximum! not EXEMPT!
It never ceases to amaze me just how much blind faith people put in insurance industry run health care considering the profits the industry is putting up, the amount of money they spent on political donations and lobbying, the amount spent on sales and marketing, the fact that they use income from premiums to hire people to whose job it is to find reasons to deny coverage to policy holders. And then they still have deductibles, co-pays, exclusions and coverage caps. Talk about flushing money down the toilet....
And with it all, most people are under-insured.
Oh well, it works for the insurance companies.
No kidding!!!
But they are effecient at taking our money as are many other aspects of the medical industry.
People say the government is ineffecient then how come my Health insurance keeps going up by amounts that tripple the rate of inflation?
No, I would not willing to give up 50% of their income to pay for universal health care.
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as are many other aspects of the medical industry. 
