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Old 08-24-2009, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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Here we go again, The Big Lie by the Left. To quote Adolf Hitler:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak......." And he continued "and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hardly right wing at all. Fascism is still based on collectivism ("fascist" comes from the Italian word for bundle, fascio) and says that as individuals we are weak but bundled together we become strong through our collectivism. Liberals have an obsession with race, Conservatives do not, Liberals seeks to weed out the unwanted via abortion, Conservatives do not. History shows that socialism and communism have been the abusers of human rights, not the false champion as Liberals declare. Just check out Mao and Stalin and Castro.

Subservience to the state is the backbone of Fascism, Communism and Socialism, and is a Liberal concept. Conservatives seek to empower people and avoid tyranny.

Bottom Line: Don't give in to the BIG LIE!!
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:08 PM
 
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Here we go again, The Big Lie by the Left. To quote Adolf Hitler:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak......." And he continued "and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hardly right wing at all. Fascism is still based on collectivism ("fascist" comes from the Italian word for bundle, fascio) and says that as individuals we are weak but bundled together we become strong through our collectivism. Liberals have an obsession with race, Conservatives do not, Liberals seeks to weed out the unwanted via abortion, Conservatives do not. History shows that socialism and communism have been the abusers of human rights, not the false champion as Liberals declare. Just check out Mao and Stalin and Castro.

Subservience to the state is the backbone of Fascism, Communism and Socialism, and is a Liberal concept. Conservatives seek to empower people and avoid tyranny.

Bottom Line: Don't give in to the BIG LIE!!


God, you people need some history lessons.

Mussolini: Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism

Perpetual war is a liberal idea? I guess all those hippies were staunch conservatives, huh?

You do realize that Hitler sent communists and socialists to prison camps?

Of course, to you, as you state, "Liberal is a dirty word." Stick with that. It's better than showing ignorance of history.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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Apparently, there's Anarchists and Leftists, and that's pretty much the end of it. Any attempt to form or run a goverment at all is a Leftist endeavor now...
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: NC
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Industrialists looking to gain power through government intervention and coersion were just as left of center as Hitler and his party was.

Gov't control = leftist, regardless of the means. Sowwy.
Really...so are the Christian right and the Iranian government far left because they are religious groups who look to gain power through government intervention?

Also since anti-choice activists seek to use the government to control what a woman can do with her body, they are leftist correct?
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Really...so are the Christian right and the Iranian government far left because they are religious groups who look to gain power through government intervention?
They are left of center as well. Not socially, but in their quest to incorporate their viewpoint through government coercion, yes they are liberal.

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Also since anti-choice activists seek to use the government to control what a woman can do with her body, they are leftist?
Yes. Any attempt to use government to coerce behavior, whether it be economic or social, is neo-liberal and left of center.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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Apparently, there's Anarchists and Leftists, and that's pretty much the end of it. Any attempt to form or run a goverment at all is a Leftist endeavor now...
Glenn Beck did a show illustrating something of the sort. He had anarchy as being completely to the right and fascism as being completely to the left. Sadly, there are millions of idiots who swallow nonsense like this.

What gets me is that rightwingers have nothing but praise for government when Republicans are in power.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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Here we go again, The Big Lie by the Left. To quote Adolf Hitler:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak......." And he continued "and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Hardly right wing at all. Fascism is still based on collectivism ("fascist" comes from the Italian word for bundle, fascio) and says that as individuals we are weak but bundled together we become strong through our collectivism. Liberals have an obsession with race, Conservatives do not, Liberals seeks to weed out the unwanted via abortion, Conservatives do not. History shows that socialism and communism have been the abusers of human rights, not the false champion as Liberals declare. Just check out Mao and Stalin and Castro.

Subservience to the state is the backbone of Fascism, Communism and Socialism, and is a Liberal concept. Conservatives seek to empower people and avoid tyranny.

Bottom Line: Don't give in to the BIG LIE!!
First of all, the collectivism you are talking about has nothing to do with liberal collectivism. Fascism is the application of capitalism to the socio-political system. When Hitler is saying "today's capitalism" he is envisioning a new capitalism, an capitalism that dominates political decision-making, a system of government that is all about advancing big business. That is not a liberal vision.

Secondly, your statements about liberalism are completely false. Why would liberals care about race? And liberals are not pro-abortion, though they may be about pro-choice. Believing that women, in consultation with their doctors, are in the best position for determining what is best for themselves, has absolutely nothing to do with "weeding out" anyone.

Thirdly, fascism is the enemy of socialism and communism. So your remarks about them are irrelevant. And just so you know, what history shows is that absolutism is the abuser of human rights. Totalitarianism is the abuser of human rights. Not socialism or communism, per se. The problem with socialism or communism is not the philosophy, but the pragmatic need in such systems for strong central leadership in order to maintain sufficient productivity levels to sustain the system. Neither socialism or communism as a philosophy espouse such a strong central leader, but fascism does. Both socialism and communism emphasize human cooperation, not subservience. It is fascism that is about subservience, not just to the business of government, but to business itself.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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They are left of center as well. Not socially, but in their quest to incorporate their viewpoint through government coercion, yes they are liberal.

Yes. Any attempt to use government to coerce behavior, whether it be economic or social, is neo-liberal and left of center.
You're funny. Those darn leftist corporations!

Those darn leftist laws! Damn police are a bunch of leftists!

(You need to look up the word neo-liberal. It doesn't mean what you want it to mean.)
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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First of all, the collectivism you are talking about has nothing to do with liberal collectivism. Fascism is the application of capitalism to the socio-political system. When Hitler is saying "today's capitalism" he is envisioning a new capitalism, an capitalism that dominates political decision-making, a system of government that is all about advancing big business. That is not a liberal vision.
Price controls, corporate collusion with government. All tenets of Nazism. Sounds more socialist to me. Nice try though.

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Secondly, your statements about liberalism are completely false. Why would liberals care about race?
I hear an awful lot of hate speech on these boards with relationship to "rednecks", "the eeeeeeevil greeeeeedy capitalists" and "Uncle Toms". These are different sects of society akin to race.

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And liberals are not pro-abortion, though they may be about pro-choice.
Every fascist chooses what they want to control. Nazis were also perfectly fine with abortion and supported universal health care.

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Thirdly, fascism is the enemy of socialism and communism.
What kind of nonsense is that?
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