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City-Data Forum has some very intelligent posters, that can make a point without snide remarks. There is a deep political divide in our country between the North and the South, and between the parties. Quite frankly, I am sick of the name calling and general lack of respect among members for each others opinion.
Why can't the Democrats and Republicans agree? During the Senate debate on the Compromise of 1850, Sam Houston proclaimed, "A nation divided against itself cannot stand". And that folks is exactly where we are. The political parties cannot agree on the time of day let alone on an important decision that will affect the lives of Americans for years to come.
I think we can't agree for the simple reason that each party has different ideals. I also think it's because even if there may be at least one common goal, the way to achieve that is conflicting. I know some republicans, I even have many in my family. As long as the talk doesn't turn to politics, everythings peachy. But once that political talk begins, it turns ugly. It's just the way it is, at least in my life. With my brother & w/people I don't know well, I choose not to bring up politics, I just don't want it to end up badly.
I believe it is because of a deep misunderstanding of the other side. I am for freedom, personal responsibility, independence, and the constitution. I feel like many rights have been taken throughout the past couple of centuries, and that the American expiriment of liberty is severely threatened. I feel I can make the best choices for myself, and any government interference with that is unconstitutional. And I am as serious about it as Jefferson.
i dont think there is a divide between north and south i think that the difference between gop and demo is misunderstood. this comes up alot on CDF, we are much more alike than we think.
lots of conservative demos and lota liberal GOP.
the real issues are war and the economy.its about the money. we are no longer making and consuming our own products. big mistake.
huge differences in opinion on these issues, you got some monster special interests pulling the strings in this arena. DOD is huge. AMA is another. catholic church another. OPEC another, Israel another. NAACP and womens lib are minor players by comparison.
I believe we can't agree because we as a whole have bought into the notion of 'us' vs 'them' - the whole red v blue scam that has been sold so successfully to the people of this country.
It no longer is acceptable to admit that perhaps 'your guy' made a mistake as to do so is to invite criticism or worse still fodder for the next election cycle. Damn it make me so angry how people have willingly blinded themselves to the truth of their leaders and their parties just so that they can have bragging rights that their side won or will win or whatever moral highground they think they may have. The truth is that we as a nation are hobbled by this - we are crippled by the allegiance to party versus the allegiance to country. And our leaders know this and fan the partisan flames so that they may continue unhindered with business as usual. And we allow it and foster it and condone it and in everyway we are complicite in our own destruction. We are the cheated on spouse who looks away for the sake of their children, we are the battered spouse who excuses the excesses of her husband as our fault, we are standing at the abyss with change sign in one hand a you betcha sign in the other and we just do not see it.
Yes, I am mad as hell that we are being used and are too stuborn to admit it much less change it.
I believe we can't agree because we as a whole have bought into the notion of 'us' vs 'them' - the whole red v blue scam that has been sold so successfully to the people of this country.
It no longer is acceptable to admit that perhaps 'your guy' made a mistake as to do so is to invite criticism or worse still fodder for the next election cycle. Damn it make me so angry how people have willingly blinded themselves to the truth of their leaders and their parties just so that they can have bragging rights that their side won or will win or whatever moral highground they think they may have. The truth is that we as a nation are hobbled by this - we are crippled by the allegiance to party versus the allegiance to country. And our leaders know this and fan the partisan flames so that they may continue unhindered with business as usual. And we allow it and foster it and condone it and in everyway we are complicite in our own destruction. We are the cheated on spouse who looks away for the sake of their children, we are the battered spouse who excuses the excesses of her husband as our fault, we are standing at the abyss with change sign in one hand a you betcha sign in the other and we just do not see it.
Yes, I am mad as hell that we are being used and are too stuborn to admit it much less change it.
Yes! Politics has become one big media circus European soccer match.
I think we can't agree for the simple reason that each party has different ideals. I also think it's because even if there may be at least one common goal, the way to achieve that is conflicting. I know some republicans, I even have many in my family. As long as the talk doesn't turn to politics, everythings peachy. But once that political talk begins, it turns ugly. It's just the way it is, at least in my life. With my brother & w/people I don't know well, I choose not to bring up politics, I just don't want it to end up badly.
Different Ideals? Seriously? How?
1. They both agree on increasing the size of government
2. They both agree on limiting the rights of citizens
3. They both agree on violating the constitution
4. They both agree on supporting various lobbying groups
So they disagree on minor things that really don't affect the idiots that make noise about the following issues
1. Race Issues (differ on diversity etc)
2. Division between the Middle Class
3. Marriage between same sex individuals
4. Woman's right to choose
5. Drug laws (4 and 5 all tie into attacks on personal freedom, which both go along with 2 i listed above)
The only place i can see these two parties differ are on things that really don't freaking matter AT ALL. When you take into account the things they both actually agree upon it vastly out-weights the limited bs they don't agree upon!!! So the statement you make while slightly accurate is still complete BS!
Problem with the American public is they cannot ever hold the government accountable, because they never stop begging for handouts and they're to stupid (especially in the south) to realize, that citizens are the reason we are currently in the mess we are in!!! Until they "man up" and face the facts that they/we are the problem it will never change. As far as i'm concerned all these wanna be new small government people that say they have "awoken a sleeping giant" can shove it up there stupid uneducated pie holes, they make true small government people like me sick. In fact they cause me to examine my own small government beliefs and wonder if they can ever truly apply to the beast we've created!
I agree that people should be able to disagree in a respectful manner. After several infractions I think I have learned not to respond in like manner. I think it is important for people to realize that people cannot accurately gauge a person's character based on the written word. We are all strangers to one another.
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I'll fix that
