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Old 09-11-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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But, we're supposed to be warming, right?

Oh! I forgot - whether we warm or freeze, it's all part of climate change. Before, the phrase Global-Warming just didn't pass the giggle test, especially with snow in July.

Now, we can encompass all extremes of temperature under one big umbrella. That makes it easier for the alarmists so they don't have to answer questions of why their prophesies are not coming to fruition.

That temps are colder actually proves even more that climate changes are moving ahead too fast. Eventually it will raise sea levels and probably put your entire house under water.

Ice from the poles are melting at record speed. Result = cool winds from the north.

And, there is a tug of war between pollution blocking sun rays (creates cold) and the heat caused by the earth not being able to regulate itself.
Its called Global Dimming or Solar Dimming, and was scientifically proven when flights were banned during 9/11 and scientists were able to measure the aftereffect from pollution vs lesser pollution.

Both these effects cause a constant fluctuation in heat and cold that is too rapid; one day weather is unusually hot, the next its suddenly cold by several degrees.

Global Dimming (docmentary)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3530743771382#



YouTube - Crisis: Global Warming Begins at the Poles


YouTube - British team finds no multi-year ice
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:24 AM
 
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That temps are colder actually proves even more that climate changes are moving ahead too fast. Eventually it will raise sea levels and probably put your entire house under water.

Ice from the poles are melting at record speed. Result = cool winds from the north.

And, there is a tug of war between pollution blocking sun rays (creates cold) and the heat caused by the earth not being able to regulate itself.
Its called Global Dimming or Solar Dimming, and was scientifically proven when flights were banned during 9/11 and scientists were able to measure the aftereffect from pollution vs lesser pollution.

Both these effects cause a constant fluctuation in heat and cold that is too rapid; one day weather is unusually hot, the next its suddenly cold by several degrees.

Global Dimming (docmentary)
Global Dimming



YouTube - Crisis: Global Warming Begins at the Poles


YouTube - British team finds no multi-year ice
Quit being so sciency! We all know that God created the earth in less than a week. He certainly can clean up our thousands of years of trashing it in a blink of his eye.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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I'm scared...

http://www.wronginfo.org/chan/nuke/src/123912454729.jpg (broken link)
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sometimes Maryland, sometimes NoVA. Depends on the day of the week
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With any regression line, there are always outliers. One of the best ways to "lie with statistics" is to take any two points on a regression line and show they don't follow the pattern.

If you don't understanding regression lines, I suggestion a inferential statstics course.
Off topic, but I'd like to also add "I is an engineer, not an English major."

Suggestion = suggest
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:05 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - 2007 was Tenth Warmest for U.S., Fifth Warmest Worldwide


"Six of the 10 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S. have occurred since 1998, part of a three decade period in which mean temperatures for the contiguous U.S. have risen at a rate near 0.6°F per decade."
Speaking as a former consultant for both NASA and NOAA, this is a perfect example of how they twist data in order to literally scare up more money for their budgets.

In fact, NOAA's own reporting of the global mean temperature has FALLEN for three years in a row (we're in the middle of the fourth year of cooling, right now), but they don't report that in their summary, depending on you to be too lazy to check the details.

Instead, they report only where we are versus the 100 year mean.

Here is their actual data:

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.land_ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat (broken link)

That is the global mean for each year, showing how far it is from the average of the past century. The bigger the positive number, the warmer.

I'll post the years since 1998:

1998 0.5969
1999 0.4198
2000 0.3885
2001 0.5188
2002 0.5738
2003 0.5811
2004 0.5409
2005 0.6128
2006 0.5599
2007 0.5459
2008 0.4793

As you can see, the global mean PEAKED in 2005, by NOAA's guesstimate. It then declines in 2006, 2007, and 2008. The positive number is getting smaller, because it's COOLING. But it has not yet fallen below the entire arc of its peak.

Despite the GROWING rate of cooling, therefore, they can get away with ONLY saying "it's still one of the top ten warmest".

If they didn't have so much invested in scaring people over "warming", they'd be predicting an ice age right now, the way climate profit-seekers did so many other times in the past 114 years.

They generally use static analysis to project any minor, short-term trends out far beyond reason, as if they were going to continue that way until disaster...but this time they don't dare, as we'd laugh them off the planet they're so hell-bent on exploiting.

Oh, additional note:

The above trends are in thousandths of one degree from the average for the past century. So the peak, in 2005, barely more than half of ONE DEGREE away from what is normal for the whole century.

If, instead of zooming the chart in to less than one degree, making the change look huge, you zoom it out to a normal temperature range, it looks like the attached pic. There is barely any change, at all. They are cultivating panick over something which is, quite literally, statistically insignificant.

Considering their method for guessing at the global mean (and if you nail one down he'll tell you it's a guess), this variation is not even outside of the margin of error.

Understand that, if you work at NASA or NOAA, the bureaucrats there will boldly tell you, to your face (because they assume you're also looking out solely for yourself) that the whole point is to spin the data to increase their budget.

I picked up the phrase Fear Equals Funding from them.

When I asked why they were reporting only the dangers of El Nino, not that it actually tends to reduce weather-related deaths in the US, I was told "you can't justify your budget by giving GOOD news...fear equals funding".

When a friend of mine had a major weather project whose results literally contradicted global warming, he explained that he had to massage the data to make it support global warming, instead, because otherwise he'd never be allowed to pass peer review, and therefore would lose funding, ergo his job.

Understand that: He was forced to intentionally use bad methodology, in order to pass the censorship of peer review, which is supposedly in place to ensure good methodology...but which actually serves as a means of imposing agendas and protecting conventional wisdom.
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Somewhere gray and damp, close to the West Coast
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Ain't political issues founded in some sort of fact?
lol
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Fear does equal funding, as a Ph. D student and someone who regularly writes and oversees NSF proposals (in a different field of study). We have to report on just how bad the education system is in order to receive additional funding for research.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - 2007 was Tenth Warmest for U.S., Fifth Warmest Worldwide


"Six of the 10 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S. have occurred since 1998, part of a three decade period in which mean temperatures for the contiguous U.S. have risen at a rate near 0.6°F per decade."
What do you suppose happened in the 30's? Or even from 1895 to 1920. Brrrr!!!
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:12 PM
 
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Obviously some people here either don't live in Texas or know that we've had over 60 straight 100 degree days (making it one of the hottest summers yet, beating even last summer). This is completely abnormal even for us. Hell is probably only slightly hotter. Something is wrong here.
actually that depends on what part of Texas you are in. Dallas has been about normal. with very few 100 degree days.

Austin however has been blazing hot.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:20 PM
 
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Quit being so sciency! We all know that God created the earth in less than a week. He certainly can clean up our thousands of years of trashing it in a blink of his eye.

LOL ! Hmm, yeah really.
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