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Old 09-21-2009, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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I don't see how our young country thinks that it can change this ancient culture. Aggression hasn't worked. I am still grappling with "finish the job" "the mission." It's so vague. Stop terrorism ? Terrorism is global. There are people becoming terrorists right now, who never even considered such, until the U.S. began barrelling into places it didn't belong.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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which will obama choose? I'm betting failure
Wishful thinking is the only wager that you are ever willing to make.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You are not fighting a standing army of a nation. We will not win.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:39 PM
 
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What a pathetic excuse. This is the same tripe arguement that goes something like this: "Obama has only been in office 8 months. He can't be expected to clean up the mess of the previous administration." Yet you want Bush, who was in office 8 months when 9/11 hit, to clean up the garbage foundation that allowed for terrorists to hit on us soil? Or does that logic only work when it's convenient to YOU?

I believe he was just trolling, no one could actually believe that and and still be allowed computer time during recreation hour.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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which will obama choose? I'm betting failure - he does not have the political will or guts to see this through.

He's already claimed that "victory" is not necessary - with that kind of attitude, he might as well bring them home.

Now we can understand, once again, why liberals are historically not to be trusted with foreign policy.

McChrystal: More Forces or 'Mission Failure'

Why don't some of you armchair admirals get out from behind the computer and join up? Put your money where your mouth is for a change we can believe in.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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What a pathetic excuse. This is the same tripe arguement that goes something like this: "Obama has only been in office 8 months. He can't be expected to clean up the mess of the previous administration." Yet you want Bush, who was in office 8 months when 9/11 hit, to clean up the garbage foundation that allowed for terrorists to hit on us soil? Or does that logic only work when it's convenient to YOU?
Maybe you should check with Bush's counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clarke who stated flat out that Bush IGNORED terrorism for his first 8 months in office:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyAUsWSLIUE

On the other hand, OBAMA has been working his butt off since day one of his presidency ... and even before that.

However, 8 months is nowhere near enough to UNDO the damage left to him by Bush. It will likely take years to fix.

The war in Afghanistan was the only war Bush should have focused on after 9/11.

But instead, Bush wasted the majority of our military might fighting an UNNECESSARY WAR in Iraq.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Why don't some of you armchair admirals get out from behind the computer and join up? Put your money where your mouth is for a change we can believe in.
So I'm assuming that you want to flood the Afghanistan countryside with thousands of American couch potatos?
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Why don't some of you armchair admirals get out from behind the computer and join up? Put your money where your mouth is for a change we can believe in.
As usual, the same tired old canard from the Left.

If you haven't served, then you can't opine, unless you are anti-war, then you can opine and protest all you want.
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:11 PM
 
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As usual, the same tired old canard from the Left.

If you haven't served, then you can't opine, unless you are anti-war, then you can opine and protest all you want.
No one is suggesting that pro-war advocates can't offer their opinions of supporting the war but it is like someone yelling to end abortion while they wait in line to get theirs. Or get self righteous over morality as they roll over in the bed of their adulterous affair to post that opinion on a forum. It just removes some of credibility in many peoples eyes is all.
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Old 09-22-2009, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Military growing impatient with Obama on Afghanistan | McClatchy

Military growing impatient with Obama on Afghanistan

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On Thursday, Gates danced around the question of when the administration would be ready to receive McChrystal's request, which was completed in late August. "We're working through the process by which we want that submitted," he said.
Do we know why obama doesn't want him to submit the request just yet?

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In Kabul, some members of McChrystal's staff said they don't understand why Obama called Afghanistan a "war of necessity" but still hasn't given them the resources they need to turn things around quickly.

Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy that the McChrystal they know would resign before he'd stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy.
How can obama back away from his rhetoric in the campaign and just recently where he said he would be sending more troops (20,000+) he opined how important Afghanistan was strategically in the battle of extremists over running Pakistan. That "war of necessity" is coming apart at the seams.

He is an absolute disaster.

This one is easy to read; he is waffling on his promises, he is influenced by his base who are having second thoughts on the "war of necessity", he does not have the political will to see this through. If the general resigns, what kind of message does that send to the troops? Why should they put their lives on the line for a weak pacifistic coward.
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