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Old 12-04-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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It's not just about the economy. Ronald Reagan was staunchly pro-life (even to the point of writing and publishing a small book about abortion.) Obama is not.
But Obama is not being overly bashed for his Pro-choice views
But he is being overly bashed for everything regarding how he decides to run America
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Old 12-04-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Short version. Obama couldn't put his pants on well enough for some people. There's a clue there and it ain't "politics as usual".
They've already bash him for his "mom" jeans. LOL
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:28 PM
 
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But Obama is not being overly bashed for his Pro-choice views
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But he is being overly bashed for everything regarding how he decides to run America
It would be your opinion if you believe he is being "overly bashed for everything regarding how HE DECIDES to RUN America."

Well, some of us NEVER knew it was HIS sole descision to decide how HE should "run" America, but to GOVERN it as CiC and do so from a bipartisan view I thought?

Maybe it is NOT he who you believe is being bashed....as much as it is HIS "idea" on how to run America instead?

Perhaps, a LOT of folks DISAGREE with HIS agenda and HIS affiliation with certain individuals, both NOW......and in his past.
Perhaps, HIS idea is MORE crap......just like what we went through with 2 terms of Bush.....and can afford NO more of!

Perhaps a LOT of folks KNOW he has something to hide with such the dismay and loathing he has shown for Fox News......you know, the ONLY news station to blow the lid on ACORN and so much other CRAP showing what radicals and communists, Van Jones and Mao-admirers are plopped comfortably in the WH now or were so closely tied to BO one way or another.

Perhaps ANY form of HC legislation proposed by this admin. and THIS Congress.......is and will always be.....viewed as a massive takeover of US....more than anything resembling CARE...for OUR HEALTH.
Perhaps it's far too costly of a takeover too.
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:43 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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The simple fact of the matter is that Obama could do each and every thing that the Republicans have on their wish list and he would still be hated because he doesn't "look" like them.

For these people, Obama is the equivolent of the first Black family to move into an all White neighborhood. They don't have to do anything wrong to be despised, the mere fact that they are Black is the offense.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:14 PM
 
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The simple fact of the matter is that Obama could do each and every thing that the Republicans have on their wish list and he would still be hated because he doesn't "look" like them.

For these people, Obama is the equivolent of the first Black family to move into an all White neighborhood. They don't have to do anything wrong to be despised, the mere fact that they are Black is the offense.
This MUST be it!

So, IF race is what you believe it must be.....what color was Richard Nixon who many people also bashed and finally sought to IMPEACH because of HIS crooked ways?
WHAT color again?

Say it!

Narrowminded and TYPICAL Lib. thinking on your part. Keep on going back to the race card if it makes you feel better.
I DON'T care what color any POTUS happens to be!
IF they are found to be lying to the people, corrupt or with an agenda that is completely unconstitutional, perhaps........then that POTUS, despite their race......IS A LOSER in many people's minds and nothing they do will ever matter from that point on.
Is this too difficult for your itty, bitty mind to accept?
Yeah, I thought so.

Go back to inciting racism as the culprit.......it makes you look increasingly pathetic and suspect.
Your credibility is non-existent and the SOS is really old now.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:22 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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This MUST be it!

So, IF race is what you believe it must be.....what color was Richard Nixon who many people also bashed and finally sought to IMPEACH because of HIS crooked ways?
WHAT color again?

Say it!

Narrowminded and TYPICAL Lib. thinking on your part. Keep on going back to the race card if it makes you feel better.
I DON'T care what color any POTUS happens to be!
IF they are found to be lying to the people, corrupt or with an agenda that is completely unconstitutional, perhaps........then that POTUS, despite their race......IS A LOSER in many people's minds and nothing they do will ever matter from that point on.
Is this too difficult for your itty, bitty mind to accept?
Yeah, I thought so.

Go back to inciting racism as the culprit.......it makes you look increasingly pathetic and suspect.
Your credibility is non-existent and the SOS is really old now.
No, what many of the Obama Bashers hate is that they are being called out for what their true motivations are in this Obama witch hunt.

The Obama bashing started on election night 2008 when they realized that McCain had lost and the nation was going to be lead by a man of "color".

The honest truth is that America would be in the exact same place and state right now had a Republican been elected. But what people saw in Obama was a chance to make America great again after 8 years of destruction.

And on that note, let's mention GWB. Where were all of these angry people when George W was running the country of in the ditch? Why didn'y they protest GWB's spending on the Iraq (vendetta) war? Where was the screaming againts Cheney for being a war profiteer? Nope, that was all ok because those guys look like you.

At least the proposed spending under Obama is destined to benefit the majority of Americans. Tax cuts for the rich only help....the rich.
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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I may be in the minority but I see a few similarities with the beginning of Reagan's' Tenure and Obama's now
For example....Carter left the economy is a tough state similar to how Bush did when he left office.
I'm seriously wondering that if from this point on Obama completely mirrors Reagan's presidency. Would the people bashing Obama now start to love him?

Lets imagine if Obama did what Reagan did!

Lets say that in Obama's 2nd year in office U.S. enters into a more severe Recession (the worst at that time since the Great Depression), like Reagan did....

And Obama caused a soaring budget deficit to begin in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did....

And Obama caused a slight rise in inflation, interest rates to double and unemployment to reach a new high (highest since the Great Depression) in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did (10.8%)....

Lets say Obama's approval rating falls as low as Nixon's and Carter's were (35%) & Obama's party lose majority seat in House midterm elections in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did....

And Obama raises Taxes on Businesses & Americans (the largest tax increase in history $100 billion tax hike) in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did (TEFRA ACT of 1982)....

And lets say to get out of the recession Obama borrows records amount of money (quad-tripling the U.S. National debt), does Economic/Deficit Spending (continuing a bail-out of Chrysler, the railroad industry and Government takeover of failing Railroad Companies or the bailout of Banks like Continental National Bank deemed "TOO BIG TO FAIL), like Reagan did....

And lets say Obama administration began to fund and provide arms to two of our biggest enemies (lets use the Taliban and Iran), like Reagan did (giving arms/aid to Iraq and Iran), also if Obama began providing funding for a guerrilla organization (Like the Guerrillas in Darfur) **against federal law** who were charged with genocide and war crimes, like Reagan did (providing funding for the Contras)....

Also what if Obama gave a record number of illegal immigrants complete and full amnesty in an Immigration Reform Act, arguably causing a worsening immigration problem in America like Reagan did....

Or if Obama gave reparations to Black people, Like Reagan gave reparations to the Japanese (who were interned in camps during WWII)....

And lets say at the end of Obama's presidency the United States is by far the largest nation in debt borrowing money from foreign countries our grandkids will be left to pay, the national debt is 3x as much and the federal budget is 5x as much as when he came into office, like Reagan did....

BUT!

What if Obama by his 4th year in office, the recession has recovered, Unemployment is at an all-time low (since WWII), businesses are beginning to fully recover, America GDP starts a growth an average of 4% every year after, like Reagan did

Or if Obama in his 2nd term lowered taxes by more than anytime in U.S. history (for Top Earners nearly cut in half), increased tax incentives for investments and home purchases, like Reagan Did

Lets say by the end of Obama's presidency he plays a major instrumental role in defeating Islamic extremism and creating a better overall peace in the World along with winning the Afghanistan War, Like Reagan did (in his role in defeating Communism and winning the Cold War with the fall of the Soviet Union)

And lets say by the end of Obama's presidency overall the economy is largely prosperous (inflation record low, unemployment record low with 16 million new jobs created, record low oil prices, etc...) and America is the leading nation or superpower in the world.



Again lets say if Obama does every single thing like Reagan did throughout his Presidency, I seriously want to know would Conservatives/Republicans praise Obama?
Would you all stop bashing and start liking him?
Would Obama go down as one of the greatest Presidents of All Time?

I know a lot of this is hyperbole and hypothicals, but I seriously would like to hear you alls answers....
If Reagan had been black he would have never been supported by Republicans since lots of them are strikingly racist. It's the messenger not the message for the simple-minded [and why the GOP is viewed negatively].
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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No, what many of the Obama Bashers hate is that they are being called out for what their true motivations are in this Obama witch hunt.
How "many" are you guessing there are?
10,000?
A million?
EVERY white person....or just 80% of them?
Exactly WHAT ARE their true motivations, according to you?

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The Obama bashing started on election night 2008 when they realized that McCain had lost and the nation was going to be lead by a man of "color".
Is this when it was?
OK....you should know.

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The honest truth is that America would be in the exact same place and state right now had a Republican been elected. But what people saw in Obama was a chance to make America great again after 8 years of destruction.
Like all you Libs. like to say.......PROVE it.
Links, please?

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And on that note, let's mention GWB. Where were all of these angry people when George W was running the country of in the ditch? Why didn'y they protest GWB's spending on the Iraq (vendetta) war? Where was the screaming againts Cheney for being a war profiteer? Nope, that was all ok because those guys look like you.
I seem to recall a LOT of discontent with GW.....especially during his second term.
I recall ENRON, Halliburton and CEO bonuses too.
NO resemblance to me, bub.

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At least the proposed spending under Obama is destined to benefit the majority of Americans. Tax cuts for the rich only help....the rich.
I see NO benefit for the rich, the middle class or the poor under BO's proposed spending!
Absolutely NONE.......just the opposite, in fact.
YOU.....are obviously too blind to see this though.

Personally, I believe LESS Govt. intervention and LESS govt. spending would be far better when we are as economically distressed as we are.
Oh well, let's see how the voters feel next year.
That should be a pretty good indication of overall sentiment.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:00 PM
 
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So you all are saying it is because Obama is Black? Wow I hope that is not the case

But again I'm looking for that answer and no expert conservative in this forum have come here an answered that question for me in my OP
Similar things Reagan did that Obama (deficit spending, raises taxes, national debt) is doing now, Conservatives loved and praised Reagan but hate and despise Obama.
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:02 PM
 
Location: southern california
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no and to be fair to GOP, they didnt love bush either but bush was an obediant puppet to american business and DOD. an invasion of our country with cheap illegal labor 21, million, and a mideast invasion-- will get you 8 years in office, no problem.
a job well done mr bush.
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