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Old 02-15-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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How about self-sufficiency? I don't expect any help, so why would I give it? Not only wouldn't I expect help, I would not WANT it. I take care of my own problems my own way--by myself. I don't rely on other people. Other people are unreliable.
You have evolved from human to machine. Congratulations......

PS, You are the "other people."
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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No, I'm not the "other people"--I know I can rely on myself.
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:54 AM
 
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Why should someone get involved in something that quite frankly isn't any of their business? MYOB.
that is a very sad statement.

it is your business as a human being, allegedly higher on the evolutionary scale from the lower life forms, to try to render some sort of aid to a defenseless person being brutalized.

i don't think that anyone expects one person to jump in on several people attacking, (other than to call for help) but there were 3 security guards and they are just stupid if they go to work without some sort of defensive weapon. (whether it is a taser, mace, gun, etc.)
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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I doubt even 5% of the population would have stepped in. Why would you put yourself in the path of 3 nutbags going berzerk. Yes it's terrible, but they will probably turn on you thinking you're on the victim's side. We're not dealing with rational people here. In which case there will be 2 people critically injured.

And thanks to most gun laws in this country you cannot legally pull out a gun and threaten them to stop. Much less shoot them. Even though that is what should have happened.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:03 AM
 
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Why should someone get involved in something that quite frankly isn't any of their business? MYOB.
I interceded in a supermarket when a junkie mother was beating her daughter in the head with an umbrella. The store manager didn't want a fuss, settled for asking her to leave. I refused to budge one inch away from that girl and insisted they call the police.
No, I'm not looking the other way. Yes, it's everyones business when authority is abused. Yes, I was abused by police detaining me for over an hour, with snide comments that I had interfered with parental rights to discipline her child. Beating an 11yr old on the head when she's crouching to the ground bleeding is not discipline and I threatened the cops with civilian complaint board if they didn't call CPS.

Any man that would walk away from that isn't a man.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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Haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure this was mentioned already. I don't agree with their inaction but they have been probably told not interfere, here's a possible scenario. Consider a moment if there is no video camera...

The guards interferes with first assailant and she gets knocked to ground and hits her head severely causing her to go unconscious and get a severe concussion. Then he gets attacked by the other group of teens. When the police arrive he'll end up getting arrested for over reacting and assaulting the poor victim and it will be him on the news because he "assaulted" a fifteen year old girl and the media will play it up with interview of her from the hospital and calling for his head on a platter.

He'll get sued as will the company he works for and the girl collects a couple million..... His life is ruined because he tried to play the hero.

Now again I don't agree with the inaction but this is the world we live in, if you put your hands on someone else you're really taking a risk and you better have a damn good reason to do it especially if they are minor.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Here and There
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That may be one of the saddest videos I have ever seen. As someone else stated, how do these three "men" sleep at night? Contract, or no contract, I could never stand by and allow this to happen to anyone. I am a woman and I would have definitely tried to stop it, or help defend that poor girl. They even allowed them to come back and stomp on her face, WTF? This is humanity at its lowest, in my opinion.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Here and There
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Haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure this was mentioned already. I don't agree with their inaction but they have been probably told not interfere, here's a possible scenario. Consider a moment if there is no video camera...
The guards interferes with first assailant and she gets knocked to ground and hits her head severely causing her to go unconscious and get a severe concussion. Then he gets attacked by the other group of teens. When the police arrive he'll end up getting arrested for over reacting and assaulting the poor victim and it will be him on the news because he "assaulted" a fifteen year old girl and the media will play it up with interview of her from the hospital and calling for his head on a platter.
He'll get sued as will the company he works for and the girl collects a couple million..... His life is ruined because he tried to play the hero.
Now again I don't agree with the inaction but this is the world we live in, if you put your hands on someone else you're really taking a risk and you better have a damn good reason to do it especially if they are minor.
Dude, the girl pointed the people out to the security guards, the three could have formed a cirlce around her to defend her and called for back up, and nobody would have gotten hurt. This is pathetic. I guess I wuld have taken my chances that witnesses would take my side to the authorities.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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Dude, the girl pointed the people out to the security guards, the three could have formed a cirlce around her to defend her and called for back up, and nobody would have gotten hurt. This is pathetic. I guess I wuld have taken my chances that witnesses would take my side to the authorities.
I'm not defending there inaction but having been there done that I'm just trying to point out the things they face. I was in similar situation, a bunch of kids vandalized our house and we caught them. The kid started swinging at me and I had to take him to the ground so I didn't get hit. I was within inches of nailing him but didn't do it, good thing because I proabaly would have went to jail. His buddy was getting ready to pop me in the back of the head but luckily my father was there to stop him. When the cops showed up they were considering arresting me mostly because he was minor.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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I'm not defending there inaction but having been there done that I'm just trying to point out the things they face. I was in similar situation, a bunch of kids vandalized our house and we caught them. The kid started swinging at me and I had to take him to the ground so I didn't get hit. I was within inches of nailing him but didn't do it, good thing because I proabaly would have went to jail. His buddy was getting ready to pop me in the back of the head but luckily my father was there to stop him. When the cops showed up they were considering arresting me mostly because he was minor.
Exactly. I'll bet most of the bystanders and guards were more worried about what was legal/illegal and how much jailtime they'd spend for doing the right thing. Can you imagine if somebody whipped out a gun and shot at one of the attackers? And killed them?? Jail time for sure. Thankyou, Democrats and Trial Lawyers.
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