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Old 09-11-2011, 01:31 PM
 
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Is it voluntary when the alternative is starving, having no home, etc.? Never heard of the term "wage slavery"?
What about the business owner? Not all business owners are millionaires. Everyone is a wage slave so that's irrelevant to your argument, which is nothing more than hyperbole.

Me exchanging money for your labor is no different than me buying something from your business, because as an employee i am simply paying you to purchase the end result of your labor. The business owner has simply chosen the coordination role, which has a higher risk and a higher investment. The employee has chosen the easier and more secure, but lower paying role.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:31 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Fine, two different things, and for the most part there is nothing sinister about either when performed in a free society.
Most people don't think much either. But more and more people are getting fed up with the current system, so these questions shouldn't be ignored.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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If most were bought for what they are worth and sold for what they think they are worth, I could retire in luxury.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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What about the business owner? Not all business owners are millionaires. Everyone is a wage slave so that's irrelevant to your argument, which is nothing more than hyperbole.

Me exchanging money for your labor is no different than me buying something from your business, because as an employee i am simply paying you to purchase the end result of your labor. The business owner has simply chosen the coordination role, which has a higher risk and a higher investment. The employee has chosen the easier and more secure, but lower paying role.
If the business owner can't afford to pay a decent amount to a worker, they can't afford to be hiring in the first place. Most businesses would not go under if they paid a reasonable amount to those without whose work they'd have nothing.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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Do you know how difficult it is to find a decent young woman to marry these days?
Yes I do. I only married for the first and only time 4 years ago. We have a two year old and I have over two decades on her in age.
She is a GREAT lady and I was lucky to ever meet her.

Women rightfully feel the same way about men.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:35 PM
 
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Most people don't think much either. But more and more people are getting fed up with the current system, so these questions shouldn't be ignored.
Wait, what's the question? And its interesting that someone could be "fed up" with supply and demand, and simple economics.

Personally I'm fed up with this whole gravity situation...damn it I want to fly and nobody will let me no matter how hard I flap my arms. I'm a "ground slave" and I demand someone fix it for me.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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If the business owner can't afford to pay a decent amount to a worker, they can't afford to be hiring in the first place.
Oh so they do have a right to "profit off of someone's labor" now?

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Most businesses would not go under if they paid a reasonable amount to those without whose work they'd have nothing.
In a perfect world everyone would be rich. I just don't think a business is a charity that should pay more than the market dictates.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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If the business owner can't afford to pay a decent amount to a worker, they can't afford to be hiring in the first place. Most businesses would not go under if they paid a reasonable amount to those without whose work they'd have nothing.
Not to mention all the fees, taxes, regulations, liability insurance they carry along with the ever present risk of lawsuits for the offense of ever having the nerve to exist at all.
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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Wait, what's the question? And its interesting that someone could be "fed up" with supply and demand, and simple economics.

Personally I'm fed up with this whole gravity situation...damn it I want to fly and nobody will let me no matter how hard I flap my arms. I'm a "ground slave" and I demand someone fix it for me.
I really don't think these $30 minimum wage people understand how hard it is to run a business. If it's so damn easy to be an evil capitalist and enslave people, why doesn't everybody just do it???
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Old 09-11-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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So it is okay to pay your employees dirt wages so you can succeed? This is exactly the problem with this country to many people only care about themselves. Good luck getting much production from your employees when they figure out you don't get a crap about them. We are going to end up like third world countries where people work making almost nothing and live in slums and have to worry about getting something to eat everyday of course many business owners could care less when they are eating in their house.People have gotten selfish it is all about me me me now very sad.
If someone wants to work for dirt wages, that's between them and their employer. I personally wouldn't, so I don't.

MY Employer gives a crap about my fellow employees. My employer pays good wages, provides excellent time off, sick days, health insurance, dental, vision, life, education assistance, etc etc. We don't even have a union, my employers hires intelligent people, with good work ethic, and pays them well. That's how good people are hired and kept.

Not all employers pay minimum wage and slave drive their workers.
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