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Old 06-05-2007, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The business of Empire IS the business of the United States! Financing all the world's troubles, dictators and monopolists is what we do. It is our manifest destiny to civilize the world and make it safe for America's investors.
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:20 PM
 
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The business of Empire IS the business of the United States! Financing all the world's troubles, dictators and monopolists is what we do. It is our manifest destiny to civilize the world and make it safe for America's investors.
Whatever. Just no more American servicemen unless it's to secure our borders or strike back hard when hit.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:15 PM
 
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I agree with this 1000%. The world wants us in there to help where they say and when they say but criticize when we do something for our own self interest and start this chant of us having to "mind our own business"....

Last I checked the United States allocates United States resources, NOT Europe or anyone else.

This is not meant as a commentary on Iraq specifically, so please save any comments about how Iraq was a mistake and a clusterf**k. I'm aware of that.

The world simply is not entitled to our support, resources, laws, protection, etc. Every nation has to have priorities, particularly when confronted with limited resources. I think every politician should recognize this and lay out his priorities in simple terms for everyone to measure his actions by. Obviously, this has very little strategic advantage considering how the beltway works.

China has realized this, in terms of its agricultural limitations in the wake of its antiquated Maoist policy of having more children, it was then forced with impending doom -- a nation without sufficient resources to support its people. They implemented their priority -- fewer children at whatever cost. The costs they were willing to spend (numerous allegations and some admissions of forced abortions and infanticide) to implement a policy (One Child Policy) that reflects their priority (a population that the nation can provide sufficient resources for) was indefensible, despicable, inhumane. But strictly from a theoretical sense, they recognized the impending choice, and put themselves on one side of it.

Every nation has to do the same, and hopefully we will choose the right side.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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Default Profit Margin

I believe they call it a “Profit Margin”, and American investors of the military industrial complex are using our military and government to make their investments into the future with disregard to this country’s men and women in the service and their families and friends at home. America for sale ~ cheep at any price.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:27 PM
 
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I agree with everything that's being said about how we need to mind our own business, but as long as we need to import oil we are going to be involved in middle east politics and wars. We need to concentrate on becoming energy independent by drilling more, exploring for more oil, build some more refineries, develop our shale reserves, use more nuclear and other more environmentally friendly sources of energy. Until we become energy independent we have to deal with a lot of these problems.

Now having to deal with these problems doesn't necessarily mean we have to go to war to solve them. It would be nice to have a president that uses diplomacy as a first option.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Warwick, NY
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They implemented their priority -- fewer children at whatever cost. The costs they were willing to spend (numerous allegations and some admissions of forced abortions and infanticide) to implement a policy (One Child Policy) that reflects their priority (a population that the nation can provide sufficient resources for) was indefensible, despicable, inhumane. But strictly from a theoretical sense, they recognized the impending choice, and put themselves on one side of it.

Every nation has to do the same, and hopefully we will choose the right side.
The One Child Policy is a social failure. With abortion completely free and legal in China, parents have aborted female fetuses in preference for male fetuses and now China is going to have a lot of men with drastically fewer women. Not only did the government fail to consider the social importance of having at least one male child, but now they're faced with more of a precipitous population decline than they had planned for.

A lot of horny young men with no women which means no wives, no families. This is planting the seeds of social unrest like we have never seen.
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Old 06-05-2007, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Warwick, NY
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China also doesn't only mind its own business. It minds a lot of others too.

Chinese business and government representatives are all over Africa, the middle east, South America, and southeast Asia shopping for resources. They want to develop high technology and have access to resources only the west has had. We now have to compete with China. China is now sending foreign aid to other nations, is now paying the right people in dictatorships to get the sweeheart deals the west used to get. China is making global plays and they've got one trillion dollars in US hard currency to do it. US dollars they bought from us.

When we shoot ourselves in the foot we take off the whole leg.
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Old 06-06-2007, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We seem to have not realized that China has been in the empire business for far longer than Western culture has existed and that they do a pretty good job. They are a very effective competitor and we will suffer a lower standard of living because of the prices of our imports will increase. They are using our capital to develop their industries so they may not only undercut us in the world market for manufactured good but will be able to use the industrialization to eventually supply their own domestic market. Hard times for us are looming on the horizon.

They really got it wrong with the “One Child” policy because they did not make the social changes that would eliminate the difference in “value” between men and women. The result is a 30% imbalance in the male/female ratio. I would not want to share a border with China when all these men start looking for women. That is probably the oldest excuse for war in the human repertoire.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:26 AM
 
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China also doesn't only mind its own business. It minds a lot of others too.

Chinese business and government representatives are all over Africa, the middle east, South America, and southeast Asia shopping for resources. They want to develop high technology and have access to resources only the west has had. We now have to compete with China. China is now sending foreign aid to other nations, is now paying the right people in dictatorships to get the sweeheart deals the west used to get. China is making global plays and they've got one trillion dollars in US hard currency to do it. US dollars they bought from us.

When we shoot ourselves in the foot we take off the whole leg.
Granted, China may not be minding its own business but neither is it dropping bombs, openly attacking other forms of governments and their leaders; and making itself the most hated country on the face of the earth either. The bottom line is...China has worldwide credibility and America (Thank you very much Bush and Condi) does not.
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Old 06-06-2007, 11:39 AM
 
Location: NC
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Ask Tibet and Taiwan what they think of China How many people did Mao kill to help make China what it is today Comparing us to China is crazy
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