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Old 03-24-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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My intent was not to get in a contest with you. My response was a direct result of your assumptions and accusations of me. I simply dished back what you dished out.
If you would truly kick a child out of your home because she became pregnant, then I really believe you need to reevaluate your moral compass. None of us are perfect. Neither are our children. Kids do dumb things sometimes. Life goes on even after a teen pregnancy.

Teens with parents who hold such beliefs are exactly the ones who end up with kids who get in trouble. I've been doing the mama thing for 21 (almost 22) years. I have five kids. I know there friends. And I know the ones who get in trouble. It always seems to be the Fundamental Christian kids with the overbearing parents who end up pregnant or on drugs. These are the kids who can't talk to their parents because they already know how they will react.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with strong religious convictions and a commitment to remaining abstinent until marriage. We are very religious. But I'm also realistic enough to know that kids will make mistakes. And when they do, they need a soft spot to fall on.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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{geek},

Thank you for your moving personal testimony addressing both sides of the very serious issue.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:56 PM
 
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I am saying one way other the other. Either she is accountable to the parent, or she is accountable to herself. One means she must answer to the parents direction until of legal age, the other says the parent has no responsibility to her at any age.

You can't require a parent to feed, clothe and shelter them and then turn around and tell them that they really do not have authority over their child.

Either the child has authority in which case they take care of themselves, or the parent has. One or the other, can't have both.
So you're saying a parent has 100% authority over their child, no exceptions?

They can place the child's hand in boiling water. Their authority.

They can force the child to sleep in a cage. Their authority.

The fact is that we, as a society, place limits on parental authority. And we recognize that a child of five and a child of fifteen are at different stages of development, and therefore have different levels of autonomy.

If daddy insisted on bathing his 15-year old daughter, it is implicit in the law that a 15-year old girl has the right to object.

Does a 15-year old girl have the right to have some say into whether she goes through a risky pregnancy, or a safer abortion? Your position is that she doesn't. Mine is that she does.
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Old 03-24-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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A 15 year old has NO rights until they turn 18 and move out of a parents home. End of story they are not an adult therefore no rights as far as doing what they want.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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If you would truly kick a child out of your home because she became pregnant, then I really believe you need to reevaluate your moral compass. None of us are perfect. Neither are our children. Kids do dumb things sometimes. Life goes on even after a teen pregnancy.

Teens with parents who hold such beliefs are exactly the ones who end up with kids who get in trouble. I've been doing the mama thing for 21 (almost 22) years. I have five kids. I know there friends. And I know the ones who get in trouble. It always seems to be the Fundamental Christian kids with the overbearing parents who end up pregnant or on drugs. These are the kids who can't talk to their parents because they already know how they will react.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with strong religious convictions and a commitment to remaining abstinent until marriage. We are very religious. But I'm also realistic enough to know that kids will make mistakes. And when they do, they need a soft spot to fall on.

I did not say I would do this if she got pregnant. Getting pregnant is a mistake, that is not the major issue of my complaint. People do make mistakes, my issue is with those who wish to escape responsibility.

To get pregnant, but rather lie and go behind my back to have an abortion while living under my roof, while taking the clothing, food, and money I give you. Well, it is a complete and utter disrespect.

That level of disrespect is something that is far beyond a simple mistake as to do such to me, knowing me, would be a deliberate slap to the face. I am hard, but I am fair and reasonable. To avoid me in this issue is to directly avoid ones responsibility and to do such a thing especially to the level of an issue like this honestly shows an extreme lack of integrity.

My comment is not due to the mistake made, but due to the actions taken to avoid responsibility to it. I can still have respect and forgive a person who makes a mistake, regardless of how wrong it may be, if they are willing to accept the responsibility of their actions and make amends.

What is that saying? "It isn't that you did wrong, that has upset me, it is that you did wrong and you hid it and lied about it"

It is basically that principal. Mistakes happen, they can be learned from and repaired through responsibility, this is a natural process to improving ones self. Avoiding it is not.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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A 15 year old has NO rights until they turn 18 and move out of a parents home. End of story they are not an adult therefore no rights as far as doing what they want.
right..........
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:06 PM
 
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Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death
What are the first four?
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:07 PM
 
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right..........
Trying to figure out if you agree or disagree. As a 15 year old I had no rights except for what was given to me. I had a curfew my parents knew who my friends were and what I was doing at school.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:07 PM
 
Location: California
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A 15 year old has NO rights until they turn 18 and move out of a parents home. End of story they are not an adult therefore no rights as far as doing what they want.
You must live in constant frustration knowing that the law trumps your personal preferences.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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What are the first four?
I want to guess!

1.Giving Birth


Ummm nevermind I give up! I bet that is one of them though.
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