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Old 03-24-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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What are the first four?
I bet it looks something like this:

1. Giving birth
2. Car accident
3. Struck by lightning
4. Shark attack
4. Abortion
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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You don't have total dominion over your children. They have certain rights that supersede your authority over them.

Let's say you discovered your 15 year old son was sneaking behind your back to recieve medical treating for a deadly, yet treatable disease (oh, testicular cancer or bacterial meningitis) because he knew you didn't approve of medicine (as a Christian Science or whatever you believe prayer is the only way). You have no right (moral or legal) to prevent him from seeking and receiving treatment. If you did and harm became him, you'd be tried and sent to jail for a long time.
Well that wouldn't happen I would never do something that would intentionally harm my children. If that is a person's religious beliefs they have every right to raise their children that way and no court or law can force them to have the child treated. We may not agree with that but that is the way it is.Also yes I do have total dominion over my child I produced that child I clothe that child I feed and care and love that child they are mine until they hit 18 or leave my home whatever comes first.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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Well both are very dangerous I guess it's one's opinion without getting a doctor's opinion on which is more dangerous.
Not at all. Just google teen pregnancy risks. The risks of pregnancy are significantly increased for children fifteen and under. But the risks of abortion for girls fifteen and under are not significantly increased in comparison to other women seeking abortion.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:28 PM
 
Location: California
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Well that wouldn't happen I would never do something that would intentionally harm my children. If that is a person's religious beliefs they have every right to raise their children that way and no court or law can force them to have the child treated. We may not agree with that but that is the way it is.Also yes I do have total dominion over my child I produced that child I clothe that child I feed and care and love that child they are mine until they hit 18 or leave my home whatever comes first.
They have. And no, you really don't.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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Well that wouldn't happen I would never do something that would intentionally harm my children. If that is a person's religious beliefs they have every right to raise their children that way and no court or law can force them to have the child treated. We may not agree with that but that is the way it is.Also yes I do have total dominion over my child I produced that child I clothe that child I feed and care and love that child they are mine until they hit 18 or leave my home whatever comes first.
I don't know what planet you live on, but here in the United States, parents who refuse to have life-saving treatment for their children frequently find that the courts and the law can force them to have the child treated.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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They have. And no, you really don't.
Try me. Someone comes to my home and tries to tell me how to raise MY child they will be met with a 12 gauge. They want to run their own lives then they need to get a job and a car and their own place to live then they can run their lives until then its my job and my right not anyone elses.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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Try me. Someone comes to my home and tries to tell me how to raise MY child they will be met with a 12 gauge. They want to run their own lives then they need to get a job and a car and their own place to live then they can run their lives until then its my job and my right not anyone elses.
That's certainly a rational response. "I'll put myself and my family into the line of fire to preserve my right to raise my child anyway I see fit, including child abuse."
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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Well that wouldn't happen I would never do something that would intentionally harm my children. If that is a person's religious beliefs they have every right to raise their children that way and no court or law can force them to have the child treated. We may not agree with that but that is the way it is.
Don't say "can" when you mean "should". Evey court in the US "can" do just that under certain circumstances. They have in the past, some court somewhere is currently doing it, and they will continue to do in the future.

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Also yes I do have total dominion over my child I produced that child I clothe that child I feed and care and love that child they are mine until they hit 18 or leave my home whatever comes first.
Well, you're more than entitled to your opinion. I think it's one shared by considerably less than 1% of people in the US. Let's hope your actions surrounding the total dominion you feel you exercise over your children never conflicts with the rights the State affords them. I guarantee you and your "belief" will lose when tested against the laws and courts of the US.
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Depends on the state..some states require NO parental consent.
People with teens need to keep up with current laws, both Federal and State.

The OP article shows "Seattle" and the state of Washington does not require parental consent. So she can be as furious as she wants but there is nothing she can do.

Abortion Laws for Teens by State
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Old 03-24-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Try me. Someone comes to my home and tries to tell me how to raise MY child they will be met with a 12 gauge. They want to run their own lives then they need to get a job and a car and their own place to live then they can run their lives until then its my job and my right not anyone elses.
Big talk for someone who lives within the system. Go ahead and test your theory by doing something outside the law with your kid. I DARE YOU.

You have the rights the law says you have. They are pretty generous and only really get enforced when YOU step out of line and you kids are in danger. I don't know why you have a problem with that. Maybe it's an power/ego thing.
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