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There was no "Northern aggression." The South lacked the right to secede because the Union is perpetual.
Where in the Constitution does it say that? Where was that "pledge" adopted by any state which was originally part of the Union, or those which came subsequent?
The phrase "perpetual" appears in the Articles of Confederation which was later replaced by the Constitution. To say there was no "right" of secession, repudiates the very foundation of the Declaration of Independence. Which is based on that government derives their powers solely from "the consent of the governed."
The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Until someone gets that fact straight, they will continue to be fuzzy about the whole war and why it occurred.
You guys seceded and fired on US troops rather than negotiate. We were at war with you guys. You guys lost, we won. End of story. Move on.
The newly formed Confederacy made every attempt to negotiate with the Lincoln administration for a peaceful solution. Even offered to negotiate a mutally beneficial economic and defensive alliance. Some of the particulars include opening up the Mississippi River for free trade and navigation, and coming to one another's aid if attacked by a foriegn power.
This offer was spurned (or at least put off and shelved) by the North because they wanted war. Why? As Lincoln told Horace Greeley along the lines of "Where would I get our tax money?"
At Sumter, the South gave the Union garrison every honorable opportunity to withdraw. Promising safe passage back up North and the opportunity to do out with full military honors and that accorded one side to another. In fact, before the shelling began, secret words was slipped to the Union commander as to which area of the fort would be targetted, so as to hold casualties down to a minimumn (as it was, nobody was killed by hostile fire). This was very charitable on the part of the South, as Ft. Sumter was a fort in Confederate terittorial waters and occupied by armed troops of a foriegn power. The Confederates had every right to take preventive measures.
Instead, Lincoln provoked the South into firing the first shot. He knew full well what he was doing, and latter said as much. He knew that northern public opinion was very much against coercing the Lower South states back into the Union with military force. So, he opted to provoke an incident, which would swing his plans and unite northern support for an invasion, around that honor had been insulted by the firing on the Union flag. And yes, it worked, I must admit.
What do you mean "move on"? Move on with what? This ridiculous old "sound byte" needs put to rest...or out of it's misery. The South has moved on. It is the part of the country which demonstrates the "most traditional" notions/displays of patriotism in the United States today. And its sons and daughers have always served disproportionately in our nations armed services.
That Southerners remember and honor our common history and heritage and its icons -- and being a unique region -- is not tantamount to living in the past. And to think otherwise is very abbreviated thinking indeed...
The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. Until someone gets that fact straight, they will continue to be fuzzy about the whole war and why it occurred.
Until people stop lying out their asses, stop attempting to suggest slavery was benign, the Negro was happy in captivity, that no beating or brutality took place against the slaves.
That the South was livid that their beloved institution of slavery may not be allowed in the expanding Western frontiers, that people would be classified as citizens and not property...yeah when the new southern reversioner's stop this non-sense than factual discussions may take place.
There was no "Northern aggression." The South lacked the right to secede because the Union is perpetual.
The last I checked, they North invaded the South. Sherman burnt Atlanta to the ground, Butler tyrannized New Orleans, at the time the second biggest city in America, and union generals tore up train tracks and illegally burnt crops and property, the sort of thing our founding fathers had to go through from the British.
Where in the Constitution does it say that? Where was that "pledge" adopted by any state which was originally part of the Union, or those which came subsequent?
The phrase "perpetual" appears in the Articles of Confederation which was later replaced by the Constitution. To say there was no "right" of secession, repudiates the very foundation of the Declaration of Independence. Which is based on that government derives their powers solely from "the consent of the governed."
If you believe different, then just say so.
The union is perpetual because the Federal government has invested money in the individual states. Like a divorce, everything incurred after the marriage must be considered "communal property" and split as such. If a state wishes to secede, then all 49 other states plus the federal government must consent and the federal government must be compensated.
The truth of a horror is often forgotten to glamorize the lie......
"It was bad enough when Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell proclaimed Confederate History Month without mentioning slavery, but at least he came to his senses and apologized."
How well the Gov. forgot the truth until he was reminded of it........
"The Atlantic slave trade was one of the last millennium’s greatest horrors. An estimated 17 million Africans, most of them teenagers, were snatched from their families, stuffed into the holds of ships and brought to the New World. As many as 7 million of them died en route, either on the high seas or at “seasoning” camps in the Caribbean where they were “broken” to the will of their masters."
Until people stop lying out their asses, stop attempting to suggest slavery was benign, the Negro was happy in captivity, that no beating or brutality took place against the slaves.
That the South was livid that their beloved institution of slavery may not be allowed in the expanding Western frontiers, that people would be classified as citizens and not property...yeah when the new southern reversioner's stop this non-sense than factual discussions may take place.
Yes, it is. People should be proud of their ancestors desire to live as they thought they should.
If you start down the path you are on, we should condemn the who USA. It was the good ol USA led by the Whities in Boston that got us into slavery to begin with. And don't forget about the prohibition of women voting....
So, using your logic, we should not be proud of the USA.
Yes, it is. People should be proud of their ancestors desire to live as they thought they should.
If you start down the path you are on, we should condemn the who USA. It was the good ol USA led by the Whities in Boston that got us into slavery to begin with. And don't forget about the prohibition of women voting....
So, using your logic, we should not be proud of the USA.
And this list could go on forever.
That old unpatriotic chestnut again eh?
Most of the founding fathers were against slavery. Thomas Jefferson likened slavery to having a wolf by the ears, you wish it wasn't, but you don't dare let go.
The truth is that while the forefathers were against slavery, they knew it would spark civil war. They couldn't outlaw it because the young nation was too fragile to go to civil war with itself. They had no choice but to leave it to future generations to resolve the issue.
If you're not proud of the USA than perhaps you should consider a move to Canada. I'm sure there are plenty of threads with information on moving to Canada on C-D. When you get down to it, anywhere you go has a shameful past, there is no place on Earth where you can go besides Antarctica that hasn't had slavery or a massacre of innocent people or something in its history, and America is no exception. You learn from the past, and progress forward.
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This ridiculous old "sound byte" needs put to rest...or out of it's misery. The South has moved on. It is the part of the country which demonstrates the "most traditional" notions/displays of patriotism in the United States today. And its sons and daughers have always served disproportionately in our nations armed services. 
