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The union is perpetual because the Federal government has invested money in the individual states. Like a divorce, everything incurred after the marriage must be considered "communal property" and split as such. If a state wishes to secede, then all 49 other states plus the federal government must consent and the federal government must be compensated.
The soveriegn states CREATED the federal government, originally, for gosh sakes! There were only limited powers granted the central government. It was a voluntary contract. The Lower South states felt their best interest were by going their own way. And peacefully. Fully within the "rights" of a free people that ""government derives its powers by the consent of the governed (people).
The South wanted nothing more than to be left alone and go in peace. Why didn't the North let them do so? Could it be, as Lincoln told Greeley, to effect, "If I let the South go, where will we get our tax money...?"
Where do you come by this nonsense you espouse? What did the 13 colonies do, but secede, from England? What did the South do different?
The soveriegn states CREATED the federal government, originally, for gosh sakes! There were only limited powers granted the central government. It was a voluntary contract. The Lower South states felt their best interest were by going their own way. And peacefully. Fully within the "rights" of a free people that ""government derives its powers by the consent of the governed (people).
The South wanted nothing more than to be left alone and go in peace. Why didn't the North let them do so? Could it be, as Lincoln told Greeley, to effect, "If I let the South go, where will we get our tax money...?"
Where do you come by this nonsense you espouse? What did the 13 colonies do, but secede, from England? What did the South do different?
Nothing. The colonies won their war. The South lost. Understand now?
Most of the founding fathers were against slavery. Thomas Jefferson likened slavery to having a wolf by the ears, you wish it wasn't, but you don't dare let go.
The truth is that while the forefathers were against slavery, they knew it would spark civil war. They couldn't outlaw it because the young nation was too fragile to go to civil war with itself. They had no choice but to leave it to future generations to resolve the issue.
If you're not proud of the USA than perhaps you should consider a move to Canada. I'm sure there are plenty of threads with information on moving to Canada on C-D. When you get down to it, anywhere you go has a shameful past, there is no place on Earth where you can go besides Antarctica that hasn't had slavery or a massacre of innocent people or something in its history, and America is no exception. You learn from the past, and progress forward.
Too bad that many of them OWNED slaves...like Jefferson, for example.
Nothing. The colonies won their war. The South lost. Understand now?
Sure, I understand. Your world vision is that might makes right...right? This is one of the principles of a "totalitarian state". The same you attempt to label the Confederacy, is that which existed in the North. And even Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, to some extent. That is, closing down newspapers which went against Lincoln's policies, arresting people on the most flimsly of charges...and no hearing....
Totalitarian? Nazi Germany might learn a lesson from Lincoln's declaration of martial law....
Sure, I understand. Your world vision is that might makes right...right? This is one of the principles of a "totalitarian state". The same you attempt to label the Confederacy, is that which existed in the North.
The South was the group that escalated the issue to violence. So address the "might makes right" issue to the Confederacy. Perhaps a lesson to those who consider violence -- make sure you have the stones to win first. The legal path would have been through the Supreme Court.
The Colonists were certainly guilty of treason against Great Britain and they knew it, hence Franklin's admonishment that if the colonist didn't hang together, they would hang separately.
The South was the group that escalated the issue to violence. So address the "might makes right" issue to the Confederacy. Perhaps a lesson to those who consider violence -- make sure you have the stones to win first. The legal path would have been through the Supreme Court.
The Colonists were certainly guilty of treason against Great Britain and they knew it, hence Franklin's admonishment that if the colonist didn't hang together, they would hang separately.
No, the North escalated it to violence when they invaded the South. Otherwise, it could have been settled peacefully. Lincoln didn't want it that way. The Supreme Court avenue has already been addressed (as has "treason/traitor).
No, the North escalated it to violence when they invaded the South. Otherwise, it could have been settled peacefully. Lincoln didn't want it that way. The Supreme Court avenue has already been addressed (as has "treason/traitor).
The South fired on Fort Sumter April 12, 1861, at 4:30 a.m.
The South fired on Fort Sumter April 12, 1861, at 4:30 a.m.
AFTER having negotiated a surrender with the Fort's commander, who was then instructed that Lincoln didn't want the Fort to be surrendered. The Confederates then instructed the commander when they would be firing on the fort, and where they would be aiming, just to avoid any casualties.
And, of course, the Southern bombardment didn't cause any casualties.
AFTER having negotiated a surrender with the Fort's commander, who was then instructed that Lincoln didn't want the Fort to be surrendered. The Confederates then instructed the commander when they would be firing on the fort, and where they would be aiming, just to avoid any casualties.
And, of course, the Southern bombardment didn't cause any casualties.
It started a war, as the Confederacy planed. As Clint Eastwood said in his movie, Magnum Force, "A man's got to know his limitations."
Any competent solider knew the South could not win a war. Whether the Supreme Court would have ruled in their favor on unilateral dissolution of the union, we won't know because none of the southern states appealed to the rule of law.
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There were only limited powers granted the central government. It was a voluntary contract. The Lower South states felt their best interest were by going their own way. And peacefully. Fully within the "rights" of a free people that ""government derives its powers by the consent of the governed (people). 
