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Old 04-26-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ah HAH!
You peeked...
You're a rebel.

Welcome to the "Do Not Read This" post.

Why should YOU not read this?

Because it will inform you of something that YOU should not know of... if you're a "good" sheeple.

Curious?

If you're angry over government, and its taxes, rules, regulations, restrictions, abuse, tyranny, etc., etc., please continue.

If you're happy and content, please stop, and go read something else. This is not for your benefit.

What Americans should know:
The Declaration of Independence (1776) declares that job #1 = secure rights, and job #2 = govern those who consent.

So EVERYTHING you object to, that the government is doing to you, that is NOT securing your right to life, liberty and property ownership, is by YOUR CONSENT.

{4000 lines of argument, research and philosophy omitted, for brevity}

Until you withdraw consent, you have no grounds to complain. And once you have withdrawn consent, there is nothing to object to.

The big question:
HOW and WHEN did you (we) give consent to be governed?

Many, many ways - - - you will have to investigate your own situation for the full answer. Ask your public servants - Educational and entertaining, at the least.

Now, to the part that THE POWERS THAT BE(DEVIL) wishes you to not consider.

If, as part of your withdrawal of consent, in the law, you found:
  • That you were no longer obligated to pay "your fair share" of socialist taxes (based on your compact via FICA)?
  • That ownership of private property (not to be confused with estate) is constitutionally protected and not subject to taxation?
  • That you had personal liberty (right of locomotion) upon the public roads and waterways, and did not require licensing nor registration?
  • That you had natural liberty (absolute freedom) over your private property, absolutely owned?
  • That your right to life and all harmless activities you do in support of that right cannot be proscribed by any law or rule or regulation?
  • That as an American inhabitant, domiciled within the boundaries of the U.S.A., you were secure in your rights, and not obligated nor compelled to perform civic duties? (involuntary servitude is still unconstitutional)
I think you'd be happy with the government, under those conditions. (Pssst - that's called the "republican form of government" - - - look it up!)

Consider what would happen if 51% of the American people ceased volunteering to be "human resources" pledged as collateral on the impossible national debt (via FICA / Social Security Act of 1935)?

In short, the socialist regime would have lost its most productive assets, and would be left with the most dependent portion, bereft of tax revenue and power. In addition, the financial institutions would fail and trade would collapse as the Federal Reserve Note (No par value) would cease to have "legal tender" status with 51% of the American people (who could legally object to them).

In other words, the only viable option to escape the imminent People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America, is to leave the "sinking ship of state" BEFORE it's too late. But in leaving, you would help precipitate the collapse of the Federal government and the socialist / usurer alliance who controls it.

Expletive Deleted!

See - - -
I warned you not to read this.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:14 PM
 
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The republican form of Government is "Brownies better have yo paperz"!!!
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The republican form of Government is "Brownies better have yo paperz"!!!
It would appear that you do not know what the republican form is.

The U.S. Constitution. Article 4, Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion ....
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
Did you know that the American people are sovereign over the government?
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463

It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
It's your choice: you can consent to be governed by your master, the government, or you can be the master served by the government.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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I agree with you, [del]but you're post will fall on deaf ears[/del] but the liberals will disagree

the problem with this country is that our US government has the police, military, national guard, and the IRS to violently and fiscally make you comply.

if you don't pay your taxes you will be fined. if you don't comply with the fine the police will arrest you, if you don't comply with the arrest the police will throw you on the ground, beat you and charge you with resisting arrest. violence is not outside of our government which requires peace 100% of the time.

our government is not our friend. i do not trust them, and i want them dismantled to the bare bones, federally give us a military, and locally give us a police force, that is all my tax dollars should pay for, i can work hard and take care of the rest in this beautiful free market our founding fathers bestowed to us.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:48 PM
 
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****yawn***
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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****yawn***
troll...you should get rid of the name gunner if you don't know how to use one.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
In other words, the only viable option to escape the imminent People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America, is to leave the "sinking ship of state" BEFORE it's too late. But in leaving, you would help precipitate the collapse of the Federal government and the socialist / usurer alliance who controls it.
What's stopping you from leaving? Don't let the door hit you in the ...
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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What's stopping you from leaving? Don't let the door hit you in the ...
I left the United States and moved into the United States of America, back in 1993.

If you thought that leaving the "sinking ship of state" meant leaving the country, I apologize for my choice of words.

Restating: leaving "Federal jurisdiction" (created by participation and consent) and relocating back into "State jurisdiction".

Remember, the U.S. government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884
I have no objection to those who knowingly, willingly and intentionally surrender their birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence, in exchange for subjugation. I only object to the use of fraud and constructive fraud to coerce consent.

That's why Americans are suffering from "voluntary" national socialism. No one explained to them that there is NO LAW that compels participation, nor is there any law that punishes any American who does not participate in national socialism (FICA / SocSec). It is 100% voluntary - voluntary servitude.

Until Americans withdraw consent, no one can blame the public servants. And once consent is withdrawn, the public servants are strictly limited in their duties.
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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I posted this elsewhere on the internet, in response to a post about the fragility of the "American empire", and how close to collapse it really is.

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I wonder if recipients of public funded pensions would relinquish them in order to save the country from collapse.
All those pensioners, ex- government, ex-military, ex-police, Social Security ...
Would the recipients of welfare relinquish their entitlements to save the country?
Would the government relinquish power it gains, via "voluntary" socialism?

What do you think?

Should we be:
[] Cynical?
[] Pessimistic?
[] Optimistic?
Based on human nature, I would think all beneficiaries would hang on to the public teat, regardless of the consequences. And those in power, would stand at attention, as the Ship of State slid beneath the proverbial waves.
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That generated a flurry of responses. Some were outraged that anyone would challenge their RIGHT to their pension. Others pointed out that if the U.S.A. collapsed, there would be no pensions - period. Some argued that it was their contracted benefit, that could not be changed. But no one volunteered to surrender their own pension to save the nation.

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Paying a pension - any pension - from the public treasury creates an INTEREST GROUP that will fight to retain that benefit... regardless of the cost to the nation, its people or its future. Each one can justify why their group DESERVES it, but no one stops to question why it should never have been a part of government in the first place.

Government was created to secure rights and govern those who consent - not become a means to take from one and give to another.

A pension, unless paid from savings* of the worker, is charity from the public treasury.

When did the rights of the pensioner become superior to the rights of those who pay him?

Is that what the founding fathers meant to create?
I think not.
Benjamin Franklin said that public service was a step down in status. Now, it is a step up. The servant has become the master. All men are equal (before the law) but some men are MORE EQUAL, and are due support till the day they die.

If the taxpayer cannot say "no", is he not therefore enslaved, laboring for the benefit of another?

Do you feel that slavery is a viable solution?

Socialist Slavery will create a very ugly situation. The recipient can't bite the hand that feeds him, and will defend that hand, disregarding those who are the true source of his sustenance. And those who are the source, will resent their loss and pain for his benefit.

The bottom line - beware of dispensing charity from the public treasury... especially to those who can vote and hold office.

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*(Before inflation destroyed the buying power of savings, it was practical to save for one's old age. However, that is no longer the case, but, again, inflation is the fault of government.)

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As stated in the original post - withdrawing consent, by a majority of Americans (51%) would precipitate a collapse. And part of that collapse would be the end of the disbursement of funds to recipients.

Frankly, if collapse is inevitable, one had better prepare.
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Old 04-26-2010, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I agree with you, but the liberals will disagree

the problem with this country is that our US government has the police, military, national guard, and the IRS to violently and fiscally make you comply.

if you don't pay your taxes you will be fined. if you don't comply with the fine the police will arrest you, if you don't comply with the arrest the police will throw you on the ground, beat you and charge you with resisting arrest. violence is not outside of our government which requires peace 100% of the time.

our government is not our friend. i do not trust them, and i want them dismantled to the bare bones, federally give us a military, and locally give us a police force, that is all my tax dollars should pay for, i can work hard and take care of the rest in this beautiful free market our founding fathers bestowed to us.
Your observations are held by many. Unfortunately, the law on the books states otherwise. If you are unaware of the law, that is partly the blame of the propaganda ministry. Frankly, Congress enacts laws that they do not read - so it's no surprise.

To the best of my knowledge (and, no, I haven't read all law), I have yet to find ONE LAW that violates the natural and personal liberty of the American national, free inhabitant, domiciled upon his private property within the boundaries of the United States of America.

However, those U.S. citizens / residents, residing at residences, duly enumerated and enrolled into national socialism, engaged in usury with the Federal Reserve, are obligated to labor for the benefit of others, and surrender their rights to life, liberty, and property on command.

This is their law, available in any county courthouse law library. I didn't make it up.

Both wings of the same vulture
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