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Old 05-02-2010, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Obviously, obama and his pay czar will decide who has made enough money.
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Old 05-02-2010, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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They are?

His own words and still his supporters deny the truth.

Exactly who ‘makes enough money’ in Obama’s eyes? | Kyle Wingfield



Again, obama and his straw man - always looking for a target for his rhetoric to help him to push along his radical agenda.

List of wealthiest Americans. I don't recognize the all the names, but I don't think any of them are in the entertainment industry. Although I'm not sure why that would matter.

The World's Billionaires - Forbes.com

Place on list/ Name/ Country/Age/ Wealth in Billions

2 William Gates III United States 54 53.0 United States 3 Warren Buffett United States 79 47.0 United States 6 Lawrence Ellison United States 65 28.0 United States 12 Christy Walton & family United States 55 22.5 United States 15 Jim Walton United States 62 20.7 United States 16 Alice Walton United States 60 20.6 United States 18 S. Robson Walton United States 66 19.8 United States 23 Michael Bloomberg United States 68 18.0 United States 24 Sergey Brin United States 36 17.5 United States 24 Larry Page United States 37 17.5 United States 24 Charles Koch United States 74 17.5 United States 24 David Koch United States 69 17.5 United States 33 Steven Ballmer United States 54 14.5 United States 35 George Soros United States 79 14.0 United States 37 Paul Allen United States 57 13.5 United States 37 Michael Dell United States 45 13.5 United States 43 Jeffrey Bezos United States 46 12.3 United States 45 Donald Bren United States 77 12.0 United States 45 John Paulson United States 54 12.0 United States
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Old 05-02-2010, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Obviously, obama and his pay czar will decide who has made enough money.
As soon as they stop taking government bailout money the can pay their employees whatever they want.

Pay czar limits salaries for top executives at 5 firms - washingtonpost.com

The Obama administration's pay czar on Tuesday announced further pay cuts for top executives at five U.S. firms still receiving substantial help from the federal government, saying the vast majority of cash salaries will remain at $500,000 or less.
The rulings by Kenneth R. Feinberg, the administration's special master for compensation, apply to 119 executives at American International Group (http://financial.washingtonpost.com/custom/wpost/html-qcn.asp?dispnav=business&mwpage=qcn&symb=AIG&nav=e l - broken link), General Motors (http://financial.washingtonpost.com/custom/wpost/html-qcn.asp?dispnav=business&mwpage=qcn&symb=GM&nav=el - broken link), Chrysler, GMAC and Chrysler Financial. During a briefing at the Treasury Department, Feinberg said that he would reduce cash payments to the top 25 executives at each of the companies by 33 percent, on average, compared with 2009 levels. He said total 2010 compensation -- which includes company stock -- would also decline.

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Executives at auto lender GMAC, which has received three federal bailouts, received among the strictest rulings from Feinberg on Tuesday. The company's chief executive, Michael Carpenter, will be paid only in stock, and no top executive at the firm will receive a cash salary exceeding $500,000. The company, however, will be able to award up to $12.5 million of stock to employees if they meet performance goals, documents show.
Feinberg said Tuesday that he had succeeded in forcing executives at AIG Financial Products, whose faulty derivatives contracts nearly sunk AIG, to hand over the $45 million in retention bonuses they had pledged to return last year. But Feinberg was unable legally to prevent the payout of a much larger chunk of bonuses to Financial Products employees. Instead, he took those payments into consideration when deciding to freeze the 2010 salaries for all but one of the top-earning Financial Products executives, he said.
Feinberg singled out new AIG chief executive Robert Benmosche for working closely on the pay issues, saying he "deserves specific mention and praise." Benmosche's $10.5 million compensation package -- a mix of stock and cash -- remains among the largest awards approved Tuesday. Feinberg also made exceptions to his $500,000 salary cap for four other AIG executives, according to Treasury documents.
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Old 05-02-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Obama's tax return was for the year 2009 and he was POTUS for all but 20 days of the year.

I know it was for 2009. Remember all year we heard how bad the economy was in 2009. And it was all Bush's fault. Bush's economy. Obama made 5 million that year. Therefore, the Bush economy was pretty good to him.
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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He plain and simply contradicted himself, one sentence after the other. Which side of the contradiction is the lie? I guess it is a 50/50 guess!
The side that says profits/earnings need to be capped, or the side that says business as usual? Einy, meany, miney, moe....
Sentences are the way to break our language into smaller digestible pieces. Paragraphs are complete thoughts and when you take one of those sentences out of context - it's a GD LIE!!!! Is that so tought for the conservative mind?

The complete thought:
"Now, what we’re doing, I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy."
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Old 05-02-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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When you take someone words out of context and make the meaning different than what he meant, that's a lie. Plain and simple. I could not care less as to what you think President is, that's your prerogative as a human being. You think he's a Marist, Communist or Nazi, that just shows your ignorance (or hate) more than anything else.

But to take his own spoken words an misreepresent them is down right dishonest.
So let's apply the same standard to OBama's word on the Arizona immigration law.

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"You can imagine, if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona ..." the president said Tuesday at a campaign-style appearance in Iowa, "suddenly, if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to be harassed."


Hmmm...that's a pretty gross misrepresentation of the law. By your own standard he's dishonest and a liar.....how to you reconcile that with giving him the benefit of the doubt on the "I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money." statement?

How do you know when a dishonest liar is telling the truth??

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Old 05-02-2010, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Sentences are the way to break our language into smaller digestible pieces. Paragraphs are complete thoughts and when you take one of those sentences out of context - it's a GD LIE!!!! Is that so tought for the conservative mind?

The complete thought:
"Now, what we’re doing, I want to be clear, we’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy."
Well this is very clear to me. He is acknowledging that the American way is to keep on making money by providing goods and services in an honest and fair manner. He just doesn't like it and thinks that even if you work hard and fairly earn your money at some point, in his opinion, you've earned enough, your share. His acknowledgment of the current system doesn't negate his disdain for it. In his mind, there is a point at which enough is enough regarding personal income. I'd guess that point to somewhere north of $5M since that was his income last year and he kept most of it for himself...seemingly contradicting his statement to Joe the plumber that he should "spread the wealth around". I guess poor old Joe has earned his share.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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So let's apply the same standard to OBama's word on the Arizona immigration law.
Quote:
"You can imagine, if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona ..." the president said Tuesday at a campaign-style appearance in Iowa, "suddenly, if you don't have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to be harassed."

Hmmm...that's a pretty gross misrepresentation of the law. By your own standard he's dishonest and a liar.....how to you reconcile that with giving him the benefit of the doubt on the "I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money." statement?

How do you know when a dishonest liar is telling the truth??
See even that quote was taken out of context:
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President Obama Says Arizona's "Poorly-Conceived" Immigration Law Could Mean Hispanic-Americans Are Harassed - Political Punch

The president said, “you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, unquote look like illegal immigrants. One of the things that the law says is that local officials are allow to ask somebody who they have a suspicion might be an illegal immigrant for their papers -- but you can imagine if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona, your great, great grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.”
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Aloha, Oregon
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Well this is very clear to me. He is acknowledging that the American way is to keep on making money by providing goods and services in an honest and fair manner. He just doesn't like it and thinks that even if you work hard and fairly earn your money at some point, in his opinion, you've earned enough, your share. His acknowledgment of the current system doesn't negate his disdain for it. In his mind, there is a point at which enough is enough regarding personal income. I'd guess that point to somewhere north of $5M since that was his income last year and he kept most of it for himself...seemingly contradicting his statement to Joe the plumber that he should "spread the wealth around". I guess poor old Joe has earned his share.
Well it seems reading comprehension is a a problem for you.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Well it seems reading comprehension is a a problem for you.
LOL, because it couldn't POSSIBLY be YOU who has a comprehension problem. You just choose to believe what you want and ignore the rest....but anyone who disagrees or sees it differently has a problem. OK Sparky, I think I've got it now.




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President Obama Says Arizona's "Poorly-Conceived" Immigration Law Could Mean Hispanic-Americans Are Harassed - Political Punch

The president said, “you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, unquote look like illegal immigrants. One of the things that the law says is that local officials are allow to ask somebody who they have a suspicion might be an illegal immigrant for their papers -- but you can imagine if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona, your great, great grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.”
This is still a gross misrepresentation of the law.
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