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Old 05-12-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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I can see how the principals actions caused great tension between those who oppose and those in favor. The principal felt fights could be avoided if this hot button issue did not become a distraction on school grounds. I believe if it were any other shirt that had some derogatory images or wording, the student would still be sent home, told to change shirts, etc. As a principal, it is his/her responsibility to ensure students are able to learn at a school safely.
Then the principal should have also had students removed wearing the mexican flag shirts, no?
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Old 05-12-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Per the First Amendment, we can wear the flag, burn it, eat it, and do any damn thing with it we like.

Or is this not a free country?
apparently not anymore . we are now sent home for wearing the american flag and showing pride in our country . see what happens when you have an american president with no spine .
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Old 05-12-2010, 08:21 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX, USA
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Then the principal should have also had students removed wearing the mexican flag shirts, no?
I am not well versed on what happened at the school.

All of the distractions need to be removed to prevent the issue from escalating on school grounds.
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:31 AM
 
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apparently not anymore . we are now sent home for wearing the american flag and showing pride in our country . see what happens when you have an american president with no spine .
First, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Obama. Get over it, he won, and he's actually doing a good job despite daily sabotage attempts from the Right. Moving on...

This is not a conspiracy, or a policy, or a trend. This is a single, ignorant, reactionary know-nothing school official who the school has already admitted was wrong. Lucky for him, because the ACLU would have eaten his lunch otherwise.

Also, that wasn't the reason they were sent home, period. The idiot official was trying to avoid trouble, but unfortunately trampled all over the constitutional rights of the students in the process.

WHAT flag it was is really not legally relevant...
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Then the principal should have also had students removed wearing the mexican flag shirts, no?
Because two constitutional violations are better than one?
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Per the First Amendment, we can wear the flag, burn it, eat it, and do any damn thing with it we like.

Or is this not a free country?
You can do whatever you like, but expect people to respond to your actions. Be prepared for any consequences or repercussions brought against you by private citizens.

But it's not a free country--we have laws unfortunately.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Are you saying that the american flag should not be placed on cars either ? do you remember 9/11 and how many ppl displayed our flag after that happened ? I also honor the memory of those fallen in my family by displaying the flag on my porch and on my car . I feel that displaying my flag is the right thing to do . Im not sure I understand your point .
Yes, I remember right after 9/11. I can't tell you how many flags I found lying ON THE GROUND because they came off of cars that people were driving! A real show of disrespect to the flag. Some pride.

And you know who benefited from it? Whatever companies were out there selling those flags!
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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You can do whatever you like, but expect people to respond to your actions. Be prepared for any consequences or repercussions brought against you by private citizens.

But it's not a free country--we have laws unfortunately.
Where did I say I wanted to burn a flag? I'm just paraphrasing the holding of Texas v. Johnson.

If people respond to such an action in a manner than violates the law, they will be prosecuted, and should be. People in this country have the right to express themselves in this manner, if they so choose, and anyone attempting to physically prevent them can and should be arrested for battery.

If I were you, I'd stop dispensing legal advice.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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Yes, I remember right after 9/11. I can't tell you how many flags I found lying ON THE GROUND because they came off of cars that people were driving! A real show of disrespect to the flag. Some pride.

And you know who benefited from it? Whatever companies were out there selling those flags!

So what?

You can be offended by it but you cannot make flag desecration a law that carries sanction, period.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Where did I say I wanted to burn a flag? I'm just paraphrasing the holding of Texas v. Johnson.

If people respond to such an action in a manner than violates the law, they will be prosecuted, and should be. People in this country have the right to express themselves in this manner, if they so choose, and anyone attempting to physically prevent them can and should be arrested for battery.

If I were you, I'd stop dispensing legal advice.
I don't recall saying that you said you wanted to burn a flag. I said that whatever action you take, you should be prepared for whatever repercussions occur as a result. I know I am. I'm always prepared for someone to be offended, and have to issue a beatdown.

But, you should make up your mind--either we have laws, or we're a free country. But you can't have both. I'm willing to violate any law to stand up for what I believe in--are you?
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