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Like other have posted, I hear this stuff all the time.
I'll ask you this, How long does a group of people need to be in an area before they are said to be "indigenous". If you take the true sense of the word, then nowhere are there indigenous people, with the exception of Africa.
I do agree that Amerindians are semi-indigenous at least or aboriginal to the Americas. But they are really Eurasians. Out of Africa is just a theory albeit the most accepted. There is also the multi-regional and out-of Euro-Asia. But I don't really disagree that Amerindians are a separate people from Eurasians they came from or that the Eurasians and Amerindians are not indigenous to Europe, Asia and Americas respectively.
I don't, and I don't think anyone, thinks the Amerindians didn't have a right to resist Europeans and they did.
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And just how long ago does it take for something to not matter, there are people who are alive today whom their grandparents took part in the systematic extermination of the indigenous peoples of North America. Why did this happen, simple, because they were here first and the Europeans could not fathom the idea of sharing the land, they had to own it.
That was a two-way street. The Indians tribes "exterminated" other tribes and Europeans and didn't want to share their land. It no longer matters when one side concedes defeat.
Navajo Nation – The Navajo, Hopi, all Apache Nations and all other Native Americans who presently reside in Arizona have joined forces in an effort to show the haughty Arizona residents just exactly who has every right to be in that State.
Said Chief Standing Wolf, “it is not those of European decent who should be making the laws of this state, but we, the tribal people, who have been suppressed for too long. Our ancestors have been here for thousands of years, while the white man only came a few hundred years ago. Yet, it is the white man who wants to make ridiculous laws and keep everything lily white. We can no longer stand by and let this happen.”
Short of declaring war on the Arizona government, Chief Standing Wolf instead issued a warning “reverse your laws entitling only English-speaking people to inhabit Arizona. Only then will we back down and allow peace to again grace Arizona, but if you deny our fellow red and brown men their rightful place in this state, there will be bloodshed.”
Of course, Chief Standing Wolf was speaking in his native tongue, so the lawmakers in the State weren’t exactly sure what the message was.
Navajo Nation – The Navajo, Hopi, all Apache Nations and all other Native Americans who presently reside in Arizona have joined forces in an effort to show the haughty Arizona residents just exactly who has every right to be in that State.
Said Chief Standing Wolf, “it is not those of European decent who should be making the laws of this state, but we, the tribal people, who have been suppressed for too long. Our ancestors have been here for thousands of years, while the white man only came a few hundred years ago. Yet, it is the white man who wants to make ridiculous laws and keep everything lily white. We can no longer stand by and let this happen.”
Short of declaring war on the Arizona government, Chief Standing Wolf instead issued a warning “reverse your laws entitling only English-speaking people to inhabit Arizona. Only then will we back down and allow peace to again grace Arizona, but if you deny our fellow red and brown men their rightful place in this state, there will be bloodshed.”
Of course, Chief Standing Wolf was speaking in his native tongue, so the lawmakers in the State weren’t exactly sure what the message was.
Agreed. Let's kick everyone out of the Americans that hasn't been here....oh, picking an arbitrary number.....50,000 years.
A large portion of these maroons claiming this are from Guatemala, like any one of those and their "ancestors" ever set foot here. Embarrassing. A play out of the gimme something free playbook.
Navajo Nation – The Navajo, Hopi, all Apache Nations and all other Native Americans who presently reside in Arizona have joined forces in an effort to show the haughty Arizona residents just exactly who has every right to be in that State.
Said Chief Standing Wolf, “it is not those of European decent who should be making the laws of this state, but we, the tribal people, who have been suppressed for too long. Our ancestors have been here for thousands of years, while the white man only came a few hundred years ago. Yet, it is the white man who wants to make ridiculous laws and keep everything lily white. We can no longer stand by and let this happen.”
Short of declaring war on the Arizona government, Chief Standing Wolf instead issued a warning “reverse your laws entitling only English-speaking people to inhabit Arizona. Only then will we back down and allow peace to again grace Arizona, but if you deny our fellow red and brown men their rightful place in this state, there will be bloodshed.”
Of course, Chief Standing Wolf was speaking in his native tongue, so the lawmakers in the State weren’t exactly sure what the message was.
One Problem with his OP. Living in AZ and working in Casa Grande, most Navajos, Hopi and Apaches do not even speak their Native language. What about the EK-Chin and Yavapai Nations? The Indians Tribes do well in opening malls , hotels and Gaming.
Their problem is internal, meaning the their issues. Go to Window Rock, AZ and look for yourself.
There is many Languages spoke in Arizona and Going to war with AZ will not get native Americans far!
The truth sometimes hurts and bad. IMHO if white people really wanted to kill all American Indians, they could've done that a long time ago.
Couldn't agree more! I wish we knew more about how the NA got along with the people who came here. So many made up stories and we know just like today the people get along fine, it is the government who keeps us in conflict.
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One Problem with his OP. Living in AZ and working in Casa Grande, most Navajos, Hopi and Apaches do not even speak their Native language. What about the EK-Chin and Yavapai Nations? The Indians Tribes do well in opening malls , hotels and Gaming.
Their problem is internal, meaning the their issues. Go to Window Rock, AZ and look for yourself.
There is many Languages spoke in Arizona and Going to war with AZ will not get native Americans far!
My mom grew up in the 40's in AZ close to the Navajo reservation, she expressed how well they actually got along with most of the Indians. The NA kids would seek out the white kids to play with, she never had stories of hate among them. Some got along and others did not for the most part they had issues with each other.
Do you happen to have a link to this, just curious about his journals......people were talking the other day about this and some alluded this was never true. Page 8 and 9 go into more detail on the virus and how it spreads.
colonists certainly would have liked to wage such a war and did talk about giving infected blankets and such to the indigenes, and they may even have done so a few times, but by and large the legend is just that, a legend. Before the development of modern bacteriology at the end of the 19th century, diseases did not come in ampoules, and there were no refrigerators in which to store the ampoules.... As for infected blankets, they might or might not have worked. Furthermore, and most important, the intentionally transmitted disease might swing back on the white population.... These people were dedicated to quarantining smallpox, not to spreading the disease
What the Chief is not considering.......many people have small amounts of NA and these could very well be more of a problem for him than non-Native Americans.
The quote in question is on page 400, starting with the day of the 24th.
As I have pointed out and gave a link this story you told is untrue. Small-pox will not live on blankets and such. Seriously, why use a disease when bullets, ropes and other devices were available. The plan was never to wipe out the Indians only a few people were thinking this way.
As I have pointed out and gave a link this story you told is untrue. Small-pox will not live on blankets and such. Seriously, why use a disease when bullets, ropes and other devices were available. The plan was never to wipe out the Indians only a few people were thinking this way.
The story is true, regardless if smallpox can not live on blankets, the intent was there. Trent thought that giving the natives smallpox infected blankets would have the desired effects, infecting the natives with smallpox.
So the story is true, but the outcome was different than he expected.
For you to make remarks that the Europeans did not do such an act, and that this only happens in the movies is false, the proof is in black and white coming from Trent's own journal.
From the CDC web site, smallpox can live outside the human body for years, if it is kept at room temp, just FYI.
Like other have posted, I hear this stuff all the time.
I'll ask you this, How long does a group of people need to be in an area before they are said to be "indigenous". If you take the true sense of the word, then nowhere are there indigenous people, with the exception of Africa.
Pay that user no mind. Notice how he put Native Americans in quotations but called himself an American (no quotations)? It should be obvious to you that the only people who play the "they're not native to America" card are racist white people. Indeed, as you asked, just how long does a people have to reside on a landmass in order to be considered native to it? Is there some kind of cut-off point?
All the estimates I've seen suggest Native Americans first entered this landmass as far back as 40,000 years ago. Where were white people 40,000 years ago??? Did the white race even exist that far back? So really, who do they think they are to presume to dictate what is or isn't native to this land?
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It should be obvious to you that the only people who play the "they're not native to America" card are racist white people. Indeed, as you asked, just how long does a people have to reside on a landmass in order to be considered native to it? Is there some kind of cut-off point?
