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See? A lot of women thought he was hot, or eventually found him so. (I wonder about being married six times, though. ) But by conventional standards, by the standards that victorianpunk is thinking of, Claude Raines is NOT HOT.
If he was married 6 times, I am thinking that more than 6 women found him hot if you get my drift...
Attraction is mostly looks. But like I said, looks mean different things to different men while for women, for the most part, they find the same things attractive.
Society is one thing, men are another. A man will find said larger, older etc woman hot because that's what he's into...does the woman find the "nerdy" man hot? No. She's just learned to overlook his lack of sex appeal. While a man would be with a woman who isn't your typical swimsuit model because for him, what she has IS sex appeal.
And again, show me ONE example of a woman's fantasies that are about a shorter, scrawnier man. Just one. She may like said man DESPITE of his short comings, but not BECAUSE of them.
Every woman on Earth has a men fantasizing about women who are just like her...for a decent chunk of the male population, no woman is fantasizing about someone like them. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
Not hard except you got it wrong. You are talking about fetishism. Most normal people do not want to be fetishized. If no man (or woman) looks up my characteristics to watch a porn, I'm good with that. They probably don't, and that is super cool with me. I want to be with someone for who I am, I don't have to be their "fantasy", that would be weird.
Just a note- some women really DO prefer the nerdy guys, no question, as long as they are not weird. Nerds can be hot, there are websites about hot nerds. I do not know if this is fetishism, as there are sites about nerd girls that do seem to be that. I think women can genuinely find nerd guys attractive without it just being about sex fantasies.
Just a note- some women really DO prefer the nerdy guys, no question, as long as they are not weird. Nerds can be hot, there are websites about hot nerds. I do not know if this is fetishism, as there are sites about nerd girls that do seem to be that. I think women can genuinely find nerd guys attractive without it just being about sex fantasies.
^^^ this!
And I agree, not everything on the planet is about sexual arousal. You can be very attracted to someone's mind, their soul, their personality, their sense of humor, their kindness.
Not hard except you got it wrong. You are talking about fetishism. Most normal people do not want to be fetishized. If no man (or woman) looks up my characteristics to watch a porn, I'm good with that. They probably don't, and that is super cool with me. I want to be with someone for who I am, I don't have to be their "fantasy", that would be weird.
So most women have a "tall man fetish"? Do men often have "big boob fetishes"?
I'm talking about taste, which is WAY different then a fetish. Taste in larger women is NOT a fetish.
I talk to men about this, they understand it...women don't. Reason being: men know they have varied taste, while women can't compute that.
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Just a note- some women really DO prefer the nerdy guys, no question, as long as they are not weird. Nerds can be hot, there are websites about hot nerds. I do not know if this is fetishism, as there are sites about nerd girls that do seem to be that. I think women can genuinely find nerd guys attractive without it just being about sex fantasies.
So, if every sex fantasy is about fetishism, does that mean that women have a "six pack fetish"?
Who is more likely to stick around? Someone who is mesmerized by your looks (which will change) or someone who likes who you are inside? (Which hopefully won't change, even when you're 80 years old?)
Nothing lasts, we all die and personalities change.
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I explained it rather thoroughly before, gave you names of authors whose books I've enjoyed, and you're just going to blow all of it off.
Because they had no relevance about what I was saying.
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Women often find a guy sexy AFTER they get to know him, like his personality, his jokes, his other good qualities. The romance novels I mentioned before touched upon that. He didn't seem hot at first, but after she fell in love with him, he was the hottest thing walking. She couldn't remember why she didn't think he was handsome before.
Oh, okay...so, do millions of women personally know Tyson Beckford? If not, how on Earth are they finding him sexy
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That happens all the time in real life too.
As I said, women settle and learn to overlook looks. Men never do because men, unlike women, have very varied taste.
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If you want to keep having an axe to grind, to assume that girls ALL think one way, go for it, I am not here to stop you. But a bitter attitude and an expectation of failure (before a girl is even given a chance to know you!) will guarantee you disappointment. And then you can say, "I told you so! No women will ever like me for the way I look!" But you may have sabotaged yourself by having such a hangdog attitude.
Again, I learned to embrace being an ethical psychopath and hence I'm not doing to bad, even if I'm only 5'2. I'm far from sexy, always will be, and have to resort to taking tips from my "dark passenger" to get any attention.
And it's sad I suppose that only when I'm uncaring, unsmiling, and cold that females talk to me. When I'm smiling, engaged...nothing. Now I approach women the same way I imagine one of those interrogators for the CIA would: Swagger over and talk, trying to get them to talk as much as they can while I reveal little. Let their own ego do the work, because if there is one thing people love to talk about. it's themselves. Then I get a number and things may or may not go from there.
And no, I never got that from some pick up book or anything...I learned that from the 40 Year old Virgin
Granted, that's an exaggeration, but that's basically the idea. All the "be yourself" nonsense doesn't work. Be yourself...and talk about what, Christian Apocrypha? 80s music? Italian Wine?
All relationships start with a meeting, and a meeting only happens right if approached from the right way. I've figured it out because as a sociopath manipulating people, for good or bad intentions, comes pretty moderately easy for me.
For others it's a LOT harder and hence resentment sets in and hence those who can't handle it (like Elliot Rogers) go nuts.
Men accept that women think about how they're going to get home at night and worry about getting pregnant while men generally don't have to think about these things. Why is it so hard for women to understand that men go through entire stages of life with no attention from females and no chance at love, sex etc but that that is something women generally don't have to deal with? Double standard much...
And yes, women can get laid when ever they want to. Men can't (at least not straight men). Why is that simple truth so hard to understand?
Well, I just finished reading all of Elliot's manifesto. Very tragic. His parents just seemed to have shuffled him around for so long from situation to situation hoping it would resolve itself which of course it did not. Usually these things happen under the radar, but he was frequently having mental breakdowns which his parents were aware of. To the extent that he was struggling, he didn't need a new BMW, designer clothes, or to go to a new college. He needed to be institutionalized where his only responsibility was getting healthy again mentally, nothing else.
The reason why I find the story tragic is I am sure he was legitimately suffering mentally (albeit delusional). Towards the end his mental illness caused him to lose all his friends, and his mom, dad, and step-mom didn't want to have anything to do with him. They just tried to throw money at the problem by buying items and getting councelors, when in reality he needed to be committed.
At the same time though, he was intellegent enough to write out an entire autobiography of his life and, despite his mental illness, he made the conscious decision to purchase handguns and harm people.
Well, I just finished reading all of Elliot's manifesto. Very tragic. His parents just seemed to have shuffled him around for so long from situation to situation hoping it would resolve itself which of course it did not. Usually these things happen under the radar, but he was frequently having mental breakdowns which his parents were aware of. To the extent that he was struggling, he didn't need a new BMW, designer clothes, or to go to a new college. He needed to be institutionalized where his only responsibility was getting healthy again mentally, nothing else.
The reason why I find the story tragic is I am sure he was legitimately suffering mentally (albeit delusional). Towards the end his mental illness caused him to lose all his friends, and his mom, dad, and step-mom didn't want to have anything to do with him. They just tried to throw money at the problem by buying items and getting councelors, when in reality he needed to be committed.
At the same time though, he was intelligent enough to write out an entire autobiography of his life and, despite his mental illness, he made the conscious decision to purchase handguns and harm people.
I think you summed it up very well. He needed to be institutionalized/committed. Of course, he would've objected to that. He might've been out of control and had a wacko perspective, but he sure wanted to be in charge.
As I said, women settle and learn to overlook looks. Men never do because men, unlike women, have very varied taste.
What??
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And it's sad I suppose that only when I'm uncaring, unsmiling, and cold that females talk to me.
I've figured it out because as a sociopath manipulating people, for good or bad intentions, comes pretty moderately easy for me.
I've never approached someone morose, half-silent, someone who acts weird. I happen to enjoy being happy, so for me, someone who goes out of his way to make me laugh is what does it. Perhaps there is a certain type of woman that enjoys depression and unhappiness. But if it works, who am I to say? However, what's this business about psychopath?
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Why is it so hard for women to understand that men go through entire stages of life with no attention from females and no chance at love, sex etc but that that is something women generally don't have to deal with? Double standard much...
Hello? There are plenty of men that neither seek the company of women, nor choose to. Priests and monks, and men so dedicated to their career that they can't bear to be away from it. Do they up and die? No. Same vice versa. I don't understand the obsession with needing to find someone.
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And yes, women can get laid when ever they want to. Men can't (at least not straight men). Why is that simple truth so hard to understand?
Betcha if you went after unattractive women you could get laid any time you wanted to. But you won't do that I'll bet.
I think you summed it up very well. He needed to be institutionalized/committed. Of course, he would've objected to that. He might've been out of control and had a wacko perspective, but he sure wanted to be in charge.
He was an habitual liar. Elliot Rodgers killed six people so he is really not validated in anything he said or wrote. He lied to his counselors for years...
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) But by conventional standards, by the standards that victorianpunk is thinking of, Claude Raines is NOT HOT.
