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The thing I take away from these guys is that they write these theories about how "all" women are, but in reality it's just the portion of women, more likely the women they pick out to interact with. A shallow, vain, empty-headed, or broken women might play certain games, might hop from guy to guy, might fall for their tricks, but plenty of other women wouldn't.
Yes, and women will often (notice I said OFTEN, not always) assume all men are a certain way...we all like big boobs (I prefer little perky ones) we all like skinny women (I'm not a fan of BBWs, but Sir Mix-a-Lot did sing my theme song) etc. And when one points out that men have taste across the board and you need only look at the endless subgenres of porn to see that, they get defensive.
Remember this BEST SELLING BOOK? How is it any worse than a PUA blog?
Yes, and women will often (notice I said OFTEN, not always) assume all men are a certain way...we all like big boobs (I prefer little perky ones) we all like skinny women (I'm not a fan of BBWs, but Sir Mix-a-Lot did sing my theme song) etc.
No, I know better than that! I think a lot of us women know that already. I know plenty of women who don't fit the big-boobed, super-model-thin, blonde profile and get plenty of attention.
What I do see is that these PUA-types get very angry at the guys with different tastes, will accuse them of being "betas" or say that they have some fetish or mental deficiency because they aren't falling in line and only hitting on the skinny supermodel hotties.
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And when one points out that men have taste across the board and you need only look at the endless subgenres of porn to see that, they get defensive.
SOME women do this, just like SOME men think women are a glorified vagina support system. There are plenty of men who are normal people, who view women as individuals. Just like there are plenty of women who are normal and view men as individuals.
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Remember this BEST SELLING BOOK? How is it any worse than a PUA blog?
Not sure. Does it say that men are all idiots who shouldn't vote and shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves? There are levels to this kind of thing, you know . . .
I've never read a PUA book either, but the PUAs I have meet and my exposure to them on the internet just strikes me as a bunch of men who are terribly insecure and/or narcissistic sociopaths who view a woman's value entirely on whether or not she will have sex with him. To a PUA a woman is basically an elaborate masturbation device and your self-esteem should be based on how many different ones you have used to masturbate with.
Well, I actually am a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies, but I'm not into the "swimsuit model" types. I actually prefer mousy girls...I was a bit heartbroken when Ellen Page came out as a lesbian
And I would take a less attractive woman with a brain to a hot dumb bimbo any day.
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I also agree that a rating is entirely subjective and obviously if you are going for a fling or one-night stand, you're going to try to get the most attractive or fun as possible. I consider a 5 to be the threshold of what I find physically attractive (like the type of girl where you say, if she was a bit more attractive she would be quite good looking or if she was a bit less attractive she would be ugly) and 10 to be physical perfection or near physical perfection. Obviously, with alcohol or drug use the scale slides a bit and 5 could become a 7 and a 7 can become a 10.
But I find PUAs are douchebags even in that regard. "Dude, she isn't built like a swimsuit model and you like her? What are you? A Beta Male?"
Thing is, as I've said, men have taste generally across the board...it's women who generally have a much more narrow range of taste. There are men who like skinny women, men who like curvy women, and men who like large women. There are men who like them old, and men who like them young, etc.
There are women who prefer tall men and women who prefer...taller men.
Don't believe me? Again, look at porn: there is a porn for every male taste, from BBW (big beautiful women) to older women to skinny women etc. Then look at porn for women (erotic and romance novels) Can you find me ONE TITLE for women who find shorter, scrawnier, or other such men sexually preferable to tall model type men? No.
The fact that some of us men will ever be considered hot by 99.9% of the female population can be distressing. Hence, we could become bitter as we understand that women will want to be with us despite our lack of natural sex appeal and never because of it.
Hence, we could become bitter as we understand that women will want to be with us despite our lack of natural sex appeal and never because of it.
Dude. You're sounding very bitter here.
The commonly-held belief is that women are not as visually stimulated as men. Which works very much in men's favor, because we will learn to love you and desire you for qualities other than fleeting looks, which will always fade in time.
Women are told, especially by PUA-types, that their value is mainly in their looks, and we all know that those fade quickly. (Why, we're all old shriveled crones by age 26! ) Many women buy into this insecurity.
Society doesn't blink an eye when a hot woman is coupled with a dorky-looking guy, and no, it's not always because they assume his pocketbook is bulging. (Though I realize that this can play into it.) Society will smile and think that she saw his inner beauty, maybe he was funny and smart, he made her laugh. They'll give him the thumbs-up and leave it at that.
The same society would look down their noses at a hot guy who willingly chooses to be with a less conventionally attractive woman. What's wrong with him? Can't he do any better? They'll actually feel hostility towards the woman, as if she has some unnatural hold on him.
I am wondering if he starting the whole "Pickup Artist" (or PUA) thing. You know where you act like a complete douchebag and treat women like s--t in hopes of attracting a woman who is just as shallow and insecure as you are.
I don't have the most positive view of PUA. They do make some good points like how standing out is one of the most important factors and not letting yourself get eaten up by rejection, but a lot of their other points like "anything less than a 7 is not worth your time" or insulting women to find the insecure ones reek of misogyny (an accusation I rarely make).
I also don't have a very good opinion of PUA groups.
I think if a man INSISTS on having some tips on the sort of men women are attracted to, he should spend a few months viewing girl movies that have been successful at the box office. The kind of movies men hate to watch, but women LOVE.
That would be a heck of a lot more informative than a group of completely clueless men listening to the speeches of some man who claims to know what women really want and like.
The commonly-held belief is that women are not as visually stimulated as men. Which works very much in men's favor, because we will learn to love you and desire you for qualities other than fleeting looks, which will always fade in time.
Women are told, especially by PUA-types, that their value is mainly in their looks, and we all know that those fade quickly. (Why, we're all old shriveled crones by age 26! ) Many women buy into this insecurity.
Attraction is mostly looks. But like I said, looks mean different things to different men while for women, for the most part, they find the same things attractive.
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Society doesn't blink an eye when a hot woman is coupled with a dorky-looking guy, and no, it's not always because they assume his pocketbook is bulging. (Though I realize that this can play into it.) Society will smile and think that she saw his inner beauty, maybe he was funny and smart, he made her laugh. They'll give him the thumbs-up and leave it at that.
The same society would look down their noses at a hot guy who willingly chooses to be with a less conventionally attractive woman. What's wrong with him? Can't he do any better? They'll actually feel hostility towards the woman, as if she has some unnatural hold on him.
Society is one thing, men are another. A man will find said larger, older etc woman hot because that's what he's into...does the woman find the "nerdy" man hot? No. She's just learned to overlook his lack of sex appeal. While a man would be with a woman who isn't your typical swimsuit model because for him, what she has IS sex appeal.
And again, show me ONE example of a woman's fantasies that are about a shorter, scrawnier man. Just one. She may like said man DESPITE of his short comings, but not BECAUSE of them.
Every woman on Earth has a men fantasizing about women who are just like her...for a decent chunk of the male population, no woman is fantasizing about someone like them. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
I also don't have a very good opinion of PUA groups.
I think if a man INSISTS on having some tips on the sort of men women are attracted to, he should spend a few months viewing girl movies that have been successful at the box office. The kind of movies men hate to watch, but women LOVE.
That would be a heck of a lot more informative than a group of completely clueless men listening to the speeches of some man who claims to know what women really want and like.
And what do the men in those movies generally look like?
She me one chick flick in which the woman has the hots for a shorter, less attractive man.
You're skewing things terribly and making it sound like a large portion of men go for these non-traditional women. Tell me, how many blockbuster films have a fat girl as the heroine? How many mainstream romance films? How many covers of Sports Illustrated show a bigger woman over 45? Get real.
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A man will find said larger, older etc woman hot because that's what he's into...does the woman find the "nerdy" man hot? No.
All the time. No, the nerd guys won't probably be heroes in blockbuster romance or action films, but they are considered cute, nonetheless.
This 5'5" guy has always been cute to me. How does he get work? Johnny Galecki - IMDb
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She's just learned to overlook his lack of sex appeal. While a man would be with a woman who isn't your typical swimsuit model because for him, what she has IS sex appeal.
What do you want? Love for your fleeting sex appeal, which evaporates when you start to wear dentures and Depends, or love for you? You seem to think that being desired for sexiness (physical, outward) is the ultimate. It's nice, sure, but it's not everything and it would be sad if that is all there ever would be. That's the fear many beautiful women have. Does he care about me, or will I be replaced with a younger model some day? You want a slice of that? Really?
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And again, show me ONE example of a woman's fantasies that are about a shorter, scrawnier man. Just one. She may like said man DESPITE of his short comings, but not BECAUSE of them.
This 5'7" guy doesn't really do it for me as far as his physical looks, but he's hilarious and after a while I can really start to fall for him. He does nerds very well. Ben Stiller - IMDb (And I give another example below. There's two examples! )
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Every woman on Earth has a men fantasizing about women who are just like her...for a decent chunk of the male population, no woman is fantasizing about someone like them. Why is that so hard for some people to understand?
You are accusing women of the same thing that you say women accuse men of all the time: "One size fits all." Women find all kinds of men attractive, just like men find all kinds of women attractive. The minority of men find big, fat, old, women attractive (if it was a more sizable portion, big fat old women would be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and they're not). And sure, fewer women find skinny, nerdy guys attractive. But these women still exist. Stop acting like they don't.
You're not a woman—how do you know what some women fantasize about? I know of women who find some rather weird-looking actors attractive, just because he was in some movie that they liked or played a character they liked. You don't hear about it because you don't hang around these types of women. I knew a woman who had a thing for Claude Rains. Let me repeat that: CLAUDE RAINS. Here's someone with a blog for Claude Rains: Claude Rains in ‘Phantom of the Opera’ | The Claude Rains Fan Club Can you top Claude Rains? LOL. Come on. There are all types of tastes. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Women find men less attractive when they smile compared to when they take on swaggering or brooding poses, a Canadian study has found. In contrast, men find women more attractive when they smile, and least attractive when they look proud and confident, the study of 1,084 heterosexual men and women shows.
This is the problem with the current cultural programming, which basically posits that men and women are the same. I assure you they are not.
Perhaps you don't "know" as much as you think you do, Sarita.
I prefer smiling men. The other ones scare me.
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I think a lot of us women know that already. I know plenty of women who don't fit the big-boobed, super-model-thin, blonde profile and get plenty of attention. 
There are plenty of men who are normal people, who view women as individuals. Just like there are plenty of women who are normal and view men as individuals. 
) Many women buy into this insecurity. 
