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Old 07-11-2019, 09:36 PM
 
Location: southern california
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You are supposed to a knight in shining armor and her a damsel in distress
None of the above is any longer true
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Old 08-13-2019, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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By golly, you are such a man's man! If I were submissive or a doormat you're just the kind of guy I'd want ruining...I mean running... my life...
You don’t have to be submissive to be ok with a guy doing his own thing and not bending to your will. What an idiotic, asinine comment. So many complete tools with no clue in life. Amazing.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:10 PM
 
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You are supposed to a knight in shining armor and her a damsel in distress
None of the above is any longer true
Was it ever true?
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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You are supposed to a knight in shining armor and her a damsel in distress
None of the above is any longer true
Not only was it never true, it was never expected and no boy was ever taught that he had actually to be that.
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Old 08-16-2019, 03:43 PM
 
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The need to be ‘relevant’ - and incorporate one’s life/knowledge/skill set in a way to support one’s self in a changing world is a different matter entirely to men being raised as ‘strong and silent’ or with the notion we can’t take our girlfriends shopping without our ‘spine’ being in jeopardy. One is a serious issue - and applies to both men and women; the latter, as I previously quoted, is foolishness.
Those middle aged men commonly do go shopping with their wives. "Husbands holding their wives' purses" and "Husbands waiting outside the store for their wives" are memes. So that's not why these men are committing suicide.

If you're talking about boys (and I use "boys" deliberately) who don't want to go shopping with their girlfriends, you're talking about a generation of children who have not assumed the responsibilities of men.
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:36 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Those middle aged men commonly do go shopping with their wives. "Husbands holding their wives' purses" and "Husbands waiting outside the store for their wives" are memes. So that's not why these men are committing suicide.

If you're talking about boys (and I use "boys" deliberately) who don't want to go shopping with their girlfriends, you're talking about a generation of children who have not assumed the responsibilities of men.
I don’t correlate taking my girlfriend shopping occasionally (or watching her model clothes) with suicide; that’s simply a bizarre thought process to put all of it in the same post (and your point is lost on me). Perhaps you should elaborate.

Being ‘strong’ (mentally or physically) isn’t about degrading or insulting other men, either. It’s being confident enough in who you are not to care about what the other guy is doing.
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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I don’t correlate taking my girlfriend shopping occasionally (or watching her model clothes) with suicide; that’s simply a bizarre thought process to put all of it in the same post (and your point is lost on me). Perhaps you should elaborate.

Being ‘strong’ (mentally or physically) isn’t about degrading or insulting other men, either. It’s being confident enough in who you are not to care about what the other guy is doing.
You put it into the post:


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The need to be ‘relevant’ - and incorporate one’s life/knowledge/skill set in a way to support one’s self in a changing world is a different matter entirely to men being raised as ‘strong and silent’ or with the notion we can’t take our girlfriends shopping without our ‘spine’ being in jeopardy. One is a serious issue - and applies to both men and women; the latter, as I previously quoted, is foolishness.
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Old 08-16-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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You put it into the post:
I didn’t mention suicide - only the absurdity by which another poster was defining a man’s strength. Many of us were raised to be ‘strong’ (and it isn’t killing us). I don’t see it as harmful - in fact, ideally, women should be raised to be strong as well. The point is not to weaken men (or shouldn’t be).
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Old 08-16-2019, 06:33 PM
 
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I didn’t mention suicide - only the absurdity by which another poster was defining a man’s strength. Many of us were raised to be ‘strong’ (and it isn’t killing us). I don’t see it as harmful - in fact, ideally, women should be raised to be strong as well. The point is not to weaken men (or shouldn’t be).
Okay.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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I don't know, maybe I'm old fashioned, but I still think men in general should not be emotional divas in the general public.

I have little respect for men, especially in positions of power, showing a lot of emotion especially crying. I admit I am the emotional type, but that is something I definitely am not proud of (I cry easily watching an emotional movie scene). But then again I was never in any position of power and never wanted it.

That's why I admired leaders like Ronald Reagan. Even in the most tragic of times, he always was very strong, had a strong, clear voice, that calmed and inspired people. I remember when he gave the speech during the Challenger Space Shuttle memorial, just a strong and steady voice. No cracking of voice, no breaking down in tears. I could never do such a thing, I'd be crying a river even before giving the speech.

Not long ago presidential candidate Yang starts crying like a baby when an audience member asked him about gun violence. I mean, seriously? You want this soft serve to represent your country?

Men should be strong leaders, mentally and physically, and not be this new age nonsense of men showing their emotions freely.
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