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No offense, but you are being intellectually dishonest here. I mentioned "children's libraries", not public libraries in my post -- I was referring to school libraries there. There shouldn't be any book removals from public libraries, that I agree with you on but we should be cautious what we allow impressionable children to take out from school libraries.
Wasn’t 11/22/63 on the list of books removed from HS libraries?
You think 15-18 year olds are going to be turned into deviants over the term “pound cake”?
Wasn’t 11/22/63 on the list of books removed from HS libraries?
You think 15-18 year olds are going to be turned into deviants over the term “pound cake”?
Books intended to serve an adult audience and have adult content in them are what's being removed from school libraries. But that doesn't make them 'banned' -- if a student wants to read that book they can go to a public library, ask their parents to buy it for them or purchase it themselves. Last I checked High Schoolers are still minors. You're just lying at this point. You can't bring up a single case of a book being banned right now yet you insist it's happening.
I remember in our high school library they had a magazine rack with a Sports Illustrated subscription. When it was that time of year for the swimsuit edition, we always held hope that they would put it out. It never happened.
Books intended to serve an adult audience and have adult content in them are what's being removed from school libraries. But that doesn't make them 'banned' -- if a student wants to read that book they can go to a public library, ask their parents to buy it for them or purchase it themselves. Last I checked High Schoolers are still minors. You're just lying at this point. You can't bring up a single case of a book being banned right now yet you insist it's happening.
Fellow poster...can you do the following for me before you call me a liar?
1. Open a new browser tab in your browser of choice.
2. Head over to whatever search engine you use. Type in the following (this is a very important next step. Type it in exactly this way. I would recommend copy and pasting it).
3. "Banned Definition"
Top 3 results on my search (Firefox, Google - YMMV)
Oxford Dictionary - "officially or legally prohibit"
Meriam Webster - "to prohibit especially by legal means"
Dictionary.com - 'to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:'
You seem to think that banned explicitly more than it does. Apparently you believe, that as long as something is available somewhere, then it not being available in a certain place means it ISN'T banned. That isn't what it means, at all. [insert Inigo Montoya meme here]
Guns are banned in carry on luggage on planes are they not?
Smoking is banned indoors, is it not?
Schools (public and private) ban certain clothing items from their campuses, do they not (i.e. a dress code)?
People are banned from canvasing too close to a polling place, are they not?
In every example above, there are bans for certain things (an item or activity) in a specific context, while the broader availability of the thing is untouched. Guns are legal and readily available, even though they are banned from being carried onto planes. Smoking is still legal, even though it is banned inside. I can buy my "Jesus can kiss my ass" T-Shirt, even though I can't wear it to school. You can talk to me about La Corbata Larga in the parking lot of my polling place, just not within so many feet of the door.
As for your other point, yes HSers are typically minors. No one is arguing to the contrary. But there are certainly examples of information and ideas and adult concepts that 14-18 year olds would benefit from reading. No, I probably dont want my daughter reading some steaming overt sex novel in HS. But The Diary of Anne Frank, Beloved, Tess of D'urberville's (just pulling examples from the national news, not VA)....ummmm yes? Why the F not.
Hate to keep beating the same horse but to use your analogy that 'smoking is banned from indoor places' proves my point that you're being hyperbolic. You wouldn't say 'smoking is banned' just because it is banned from certain indoor spaces, would you? No, that's why you made the distinction that smoking is banned from indoor places instead. So, then why would you say these books are being banned if they are just being banned from school libraries? Saying something is banned without saying where it is being banned implies some sort of finality when that is not the case here.
...I’m a registered Republican, but a believer in Democracy. I will be switching to Independent and no longer voting for GOP candidates.
I was a centrist, registered Democrat, but the shenanigans performed by BOTH parties has forced me to retract my support. I would love for the RNC to provide a character that was not terminally flawed for public office, but they keep putting out candidates for the Republican party's pursuit of power at any cost. Impeding voting, claiming rights over others on moral basis versus legal -- until they can make laws contrary to the People's rights to freedom -- they've become a party of the past. It isn't my father's Republican party, and until it cleans house I am stuck with the Dems.
Glad that Democratic Governor Cooper is not proposing banning books. I could be wrong but I'm not aware of any Democratic Governors who are wasting their time doing so.
Well, not wasting their time in VA as savvy business man Youngkin knows it a hot button issue for suburban voters who elected him into office. I mean with the age of the internet and not to mention the fact that nobody reads books anymore, you can see why Youngkin had to dig back into the 1950's to find some archaic law to attempt to re-enact.
Dear folks, I would wager that some of your children have been surfing the web for explicit porn sites since maybe late elementary school age. If not earlier.
Glad that Democratic Governor Cooper is not proposing banning books. I could be wrong but I'm not aware of any Democratic Governors who are wasting their time doing so.
Well, not wasting their time in VA as savvy business man Youngkin knows it a hot button issue for suburban voters who elected him into office. I mean with the age of the internet and not to mention the fact that nobody reads books anymore, you can see why Youngkin had to dig back into the 1950's to find some archaic law to attempt to re-enact.
Dear folks, I would wager that some of your children have been surfing the web for explicit porn sites since maybe late elementary school age. If not earlier. So...the next step should logically be to ban the internet, no?
We used to download playboy dot com in the public library at 14.4 baud. This was back when there was no technology available to block a website. Guess what happened when that technology was available? It was blocked.
There is no technology necessary to remove sexually explicit books from school libraries. It’s really disturbing that people are actually pushing for this stuff to exist in children’s libraries. It’s just insane.
That being said, the whole thing is way overblown on the conservative side. We’re talking about such a small number of books here. Just remove the damn books and create better approval standards going forward. All that’s going on is childish political arguing over a tiny issue. If we all can’t agree that there shouldn’t be sexually explicit stuff in children’s libraries, then we really are in deep trouble.
Hate to keep beating the same horse but to use your analogy that 'smoking is banned from indoor places' proves my point that you're being hyperbolic. You wouldn't say 'smoking is banned' just because it is banned from certain indoor spaces, would you? No, that's why you made the distinction that smoking is banned from indoor places instead. So, then why would you say these books are being banned if they are just being banned from school libraries? Saying something is banned without saying where it is being banned implies some sort of finality when that is not the case here.
That's hyperbole.
Nah fellow poster. That's just a massive goal post moving effort on your part. No one reading this part of the discussion would take "they're banning books" to mean all of the sudden the books aren't available like this is China.
We used to download playboy dot com in the public library at 14.4 baud. This was back when there was no technology available to block a website. Guess what happened when that technology was available? It was blocked.
There is no technology necessary to remove sexually explicit books from school libraries. It’s really disturbing that people are actually pushing for this stuff to exist in children’s libraries. It’s just insane.
That being said, the whole thing is way overblown on the conservative side. We’re talking about such a small number of books here. Just remove the damn books and create better approval standards going forward. All that’s going on is childish political arguing over a tiny issue. If we all can’t agree that there shouldn’t be sexually explicit stuff in children’s libraries, then we really are in deep trouble.
Let me be clear m378, of course no one is supporting school librarians selecting sexually explicit books. I think you know that.
But it is a slippery slope. Totally agree with you however that it is childish political arguing. Not a tiny issue for the voters however. Suburban Moms/Dads make up quite a large percentage of the population. But it does get politicians elected.
So no, you'd don't need to suggest that I think there should be sexually explicit books in the school library.
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