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Old 05-17-2023, 07:35 AM
 
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Democracy dies in NC?

Citydata dies in a dumpster fire here, omg LOL
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:41 PM
 
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Once again NC is on the national stage. It has been recently cited for one of the severest forms of partisan gerrymandering in the country. They never mentioned that the Democrats did it too. Not a great defense at this juncture IMO.
Oh gosh, the "Both Sides" representative is on a repeating loop. #BombasticSideEye
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Old 05-18-2023, 06:39 AM
 
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The latest low point by the NC GOP is the comment yesterday by Rep. Jeff McNeely (R-Iredell) to Rep. Abe Jones (D-Wake) during a debate about a school choice bill. During the debate McNeely, who's white, interrupted Jones, who's black, about the latter's achievements at Harvard and Harvard Law School with the following:

"And the question I guess, is, would you have been able to maybe achieve this if you were not an athlete or a minority or any of these things, but you were a student trapped in a school that the slowest — you know, in the wild we’ll say the slowest gazelle does not survive, but yet the herd moves at that pace. So the brightest child sometimes is held back in order —"

The immediate outcry over the bigotry of the statement was so intense from other Democratic lawmakers that McNeely apologized, but not after trying to continue his line of, well, whatever the hell it was he was thinking. Jones accepted the apology.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...275514126.html

This is how low the conversation has become in the General Assembly. And it's indicative of the ignorant mindset unfortunately too many Republican representatives there have in place.

But yeah, go ahead someone on here and give another "Whataboutism" to defend them and avoid addressing how the NC GOP truly hates anyone who's not white and straight.
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Old 05-18-2023, 02:31 PM
 
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Oh gosh, the "Both Sides" representative is on a repeating loop. #BombasticSideEye
Oh, no. I did not make myself clear. I meant that the GOP gerrymandering was so severely partisan that it made the news nationally. It would have been a false equivalency (as others have stated) to mention the Dem's gerrymandering.

Some other posters kept saying yeah but the Dems did it, too. I meant that THAT is NOT a good defense for what the GOP just did. It's irrelevant what the Dems did in the past. Hence, it was not brought up on the national stage.

If what I've said is unclear still, (and it may be) I'll try to clarify further.

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Old 05-18-2023, 06:19 PM
 
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Remember that the Democrats were the first to draw the ridiculous 12th Congressional District. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...vbote.jpg.webp
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Old 05-18-2023, 07:31 PM
 
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Remember that the Democrats were the first to draw the ridiculous 12th Congressional District. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...vbote.jpg.webp
Ummm, yeah, not really:

"North Carolina’s 12th Congressional District was originally drawn due to President George H.W. Bush’s Department of Justice mandating that North Carolina create a second “majority-minority” district under the 1965 Voting Rights Act."

Wasn't Poppy a republican?

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2013-0...more-attention
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Old 05-18-2023, 08:15 PM
 
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Ummm, yeah, not really:

"North Carolina’s 12th Congressional District was originally drawn due to President George H.W. Bush’s Department of Justice mandating that North Carolina create a second “majority-minority” district under the 1965 Voting Rights Act."

Wasn't Poppy a republican?

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2013-0...more-attention
Are RINO’s really big “R” Republican? I mean… come on.
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Old 05-19-2023, 12:12 AM
 
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Ummm, yeah, not really:

"North Carolina’s 12th Congressional District was originally drawn due to President George H.W. Bush’s Department of Justice mandating that North Carolina create a second “majority-minority” district under the 1965 Voting Rights Act."

Wasn't Poppy a republican?

https://www.wfae.org/politics/2013-0...more-attention
Interesting and very informative. Thank you for posting this.
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Old 05-19-2023, 10:48 AM
 
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Wasn't Poppy a republican?
USDOJ didn't tell them where to draw the lines. The NCGA did that. The precincts were carefully chosen to get through while also burying some Republicans in a district they couldn't possibly win and thereby keep them out of districts where the outcome could have been in doubt.
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Old 05-19-2023, 12:02 PM
 
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USDOJ didn't tell them where to draw the lines. The NCGA did that. The precincts were carefully chosen to get through while also burying some Republicans in a district they couldn't possibly win and thereby keep them out of districts where the outcome could have been in doubt.
No, they were carefully chosen in order to produce a minority-majority district, as ordered by the DOJ. And of course, the DOJ never tells states how to draw the lines.

Inconveniently for you, the republican controlled general assembly redrew the district in 2011 with the same essential shape, as noted in the link you posted, lol.
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