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You're statement is SUCH BS, and I'm a gay man. Settle down and stop crying "Wolf." You're embarrassing yourself. It's pathetic and sad.
LGBTQ will not "become illegal" or "Punishable" here or anywhere else in the US. LOL
There are at least 9 state legislatures that are to restrict or CRIMINALIZE drag shows. I believe NC is one of them. "Criminalizing drag shows" is BY DEFININTION a step in that direction, I honestly don't see how anyone could debate that.
And honestly, I don't understand how your sexual orientation makes you any more or less qualified to have an opinion about the laws? I drive cars, but it doesn't make me an expert on highway safety or ICE's.
I do get your "cry wolf" statement, it's valid, but not all-encompassing. Not much different than the GOP response to "banning semi-automatic guns is just a slippery slope to banning all guns" or Dem response to "Banning late-term abortions is just a slippery slope to banning all abortions" (other than the first one has not proven to be true, and the latter one has ABSOLUTELY proven to be true, but still, your comment is valid.)
There are at least 9 state legislatures that are to restrict or CRIMINALIZE drag shows. I believe NC is one of them.
In...the...presence...of...a...minor.
How can you possibly leave out such an important part?
Literally nobody cares about drag shows for adults. What people care about is this sudden bizarre obsession with intertwining drag performances and children.
How can you possibly leave out such an important part?
Literally nobody cares about drag shows for adults. What people care about is this sudden bizarre obsession with intertwining drag performances and children.
Because it should be a parent's decision what they do or do not bring their child to. Some of the performers are also parents. If there is not nudity (I've been to a lot of drag shows, never seen nudity), there is not sexual activity, and there is not any non-consentual activity, why is the government getting involved?
I was responding to the false comment that it was not punishable. It is.
Drinking under the age of 21 is also illegal. Do you think that people should be getting arrested for giving their children (real) communion? Or in my case, being raised in a Jewish Household, being allowed a small amount of wine to bless the Sabbath or to partake in a Seder? (we were taught by our parents, not 'the law', I didn't become an alcoholic, and a kid attending a drag-show is not magically going to "turn gay" or become a queen.)
https://newrepublic.com/post/170842/...ban-drag-shows
The Tennessee bill bans it for "in public" or if kids are present (not and). The key word there is "purient interest". That seems a bit hypocrytical. If you watch an episode of Happy Days, it's of Purient Nature. More modern shows are far worse. My take (EG: Opinion) is that people are ok with Purient nature if it fits their standard (eg "hetero"). I would still think it is wrong, but more equitable, if the rules were for ALL people, and not singling out the ones people are afraid of.
For that matter, if they want to ban something that is truly disgusting, how about under-age beauty pagents? My (now ex)wife put my daughter through that. it was far more disgusting what i saw there than any Drag Show. If you're going after the PROBLEM, then go after the problem, not select groups of people. Then we could at least have an HONEST discussion about what's right and wrong, and apply to everyone. (I still don't want the Gov't dictating morals, it's the parent's job for minors and everyone's job for their adult self.)
Because it should be a parent's decision what they do or do not bring their child to. Some of the performers are also parents. If there is not nudity (I've been to a lot of drag shows, never seen nudity), there is not sexual activity, and there is not any non-consentual activity, why is the government getting involved?
I was responding to the false comment that it was not punishable. It is.
Drinking under the age of 21 is also illegal. Do you think that people should be getting arrested for giving their children (real) communion? Or in my case, being raised in a Jewish Household, being allowed a small amount of wine to bless the Sabbath or to partake in a Seder? (we were taught by our parents, not 'the law', I didn't become an alcoholic, and a kid attending a drag-show is not magically going to "turn gay" or become a queen.)
https://newrepublic.com/post/170842/...ban-drag-shows
The Tennessee bill bans it for "in public" or if kids are present (not and). The key word there is "purient interest". That seems a bit hypocrytical. If you watch an episode of Happy Days, it's of Purient Nature. More modern shows are far worse. My take (EG: Opinion) is that people are ok with Purient nature if it fits their standard (eg "hetero"). I would still think it is wrong, but more equitable, if the rules were for ALL people, and not singling out the ones people are afraid of.
For that matter, if they want to ban something that is truly disgusting, how about under-age beauty pagents? My (now ex)wife put my daughter through that. it was far more disgusting what i saw there than any Drag Show. If you're going after the PROBLEM, then go after the problem, not select groups of people. Then we could at least have an HONEST discussion about what's right and wrong, and apply to everyone. (I still don't want the Gov't dictating morals, it's the parent's job for minors and everyone's job for their adult self.)
The key here is "that appeals to a prurient interest". From my understating they're not limiting drag around children, they're limiting sexualized drag shows around children. Drag queen story hour fine, drag queen giving someone under 18 a lap dance, not fine. This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
There are at least 9 state legislatures that are to restrict or CRIMINALIZE drag shows. I believe NC is one of them. "Criminalizing drag shows" is BY DEFININTION a step in that direction, I honestly don't see how anyone could debate that.
And honestly, I don't understand how your sexual orientation makes you any more or less qualified to have an opinion about the laws? I drive cars, but it doesn't make me an expert on highway safety or ICE's.
I do get your "cry wolf" statement, it's valid, but not all-encompassing. Not much different than the GOP response to "banning semi-automatic guns is just a slippery slope to banning all guns" or Dem response to "Banning late-term abortions is just a slippery slope to banning all abortions" (other than the first one has not proven to be true, and the latter one has ABSOLUTELY proven to be true, but still, your comment is valid.)
Another gay man who completely disagrees with you.
Ironic how you carry the torch for LGBT rights but have no appreciation for the opinions of the people for whom you are speaking. Maybe we've been through much worse and see this as the political game that it is.
Parents shouldn't have to wonder whether their child might be exposed to a drag performance in public. They are very sexual in nature - exaggerated make-up and voluptuous boobs, lip synched to a sexual in nature song. It is targeted towards an adult audience. No would go to watch a drag show where the performer is dressed up like a puritan. Give me a break. I don't appreciate people advocating this on my behalf.
I was recently listening to Josh Stein speak on a morning show. He mentioned that NC's rate of children's death by guns exceeded the national average.
Now that the GOP has devoted their time to contending with the huge problem of drag queens, they could start to really care about something that might affect the children of NC even more. (BTW, I doubt that there have been but a very tiny tiny percentage of drag queen's giving lap dances to minors. A very, very small percentage. Drag queens are a distraction from real issues and the GOP knows that. A silly political move to continue dividing people. It does work of course.)
And no I don't advocate drag queens giving lap dances to minors. Not sure I believe it has happened to be honest with you.
Another gay man who completely disagrees with you.
Ironic how you carry the torch for LGBT rights but have no appreciation for the opinions of the people for whom you are speaking. Maybe we've been through much worse and see this as the political game that it is.
Parents shouldn't have to wonder whether their child might be exposed to a drag performance in public. They are very sexual in nature - exaggerated make-up and voluptuous boobs, lip synched to a sexual in nature song. It is targeted towards an adult audience. No would go to watch a drag show where the performer is dressed up like a puritan. Give me a break. I don't appreciate people advocating this on my behalf.
I appreciate your comment, but I think you've misunderstood my intentions. I'm not carrying the torch for anyone, per-se. I liken this to Martin Niemöller's famous quote:
Quote:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I also 100% agree with you that a drag-show as I know it should not be performed "out in public" (on the street, for example), to my knowledge that is not happening, but I could be wrong.
All of the ones I've been to are ticketed events, usually charity fundraisers (Crepe Myrtle is a great cause, BTW), so nobody has to "wonder whether their child might be exposed to a drag performance in public" as you say. They can simply decide not to attend, or to get sitters for their kids on that night, or if they think it's OK, they can bring their kids with them.
I think everyone (including you) are getting hung up on something that isn't happening. I've never seen a drag show out in public, but I have seen more than one person dressed in drag out in public, minding their own business, and I don't have a problem with it.
I've also seen people who believe that kids should not be allowed in restaurants that serve alcohol, I think the parents can decide.
I've seen people who think that organized prayers SHOULD be said in school, I don't agree, I think parents should be able to decide which, if any religion they want to indoctrinate into their kids.
Furthermore, if you refer to my earlier comment, I said I think that the rules should be applied EQUALLY to all people. So it was you, not me suggesting that I'm carrying a torch. To me, I don't think lewd behavior should be allowed in public at all. If that is how we want to approach it, why then are we allowing heterosexual explicit content to be void from the law. Would it be any better for you if you saw a male and a female, both dressed in gender-appropriate cloths, grinding it out in public? I hope not.
My other concern, which I believe is valid, is that all of these rules allow the government to decide what is decent and what is not. It's very subjective.
If they wanted to say that NO EVENTS could happen in public that showed two people acting in a lewd way I would still have the concern about interpretation, but not about singling people out.
Sorry, I got to rambling, I had some interruptions. But I'm not carrying the torch for any one group. I think protections should be the same for everyone.
It's a complicated issue, and whatever is decided needs to be applied uniformly. By definition in these rules, they are not being applied uniformly.
After the ban the Drag Queens, then it might be the gay bars, maybe after that it will be the hipsters, and before long they'll come after hippies. By the time they get to poorly dressed, middle-aged dads (me), there will be nobody left to fight.
Ha!
EDIT: Remember when Seinfeld had an entire episode dedicated to Master-bation? And another episode dedicated to unprotected, extra-marital relations (spongeworthy), or Big Bang Theory had an episode where one of the characters got trapped in a robot designed for master-bation? All of those were hillarious, they were all brought INTO PEOPLES HOMES, but I saw nobody proposing laws about banning or criminalizing them. how are they any less bad than a drag show that parents can choose to take their kids to, but have an option to NOT?
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), there will be nobody left to fight.
