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I think most of us are born bisexual but it's repressed out of us from a young age, that's why many guys feel threatened when they are hit on, they are afraid of unlocking those repressed homosexual desires that we all have.
I disagree with the fact that everyone is born bisexual. Maybe some are, but not EVERYONE.
I do think that everyone has the possibility of being bisexual though.
I have always had gay friends and always felt they were easy to talk to and they're no danger as far as trying to get into your pants so you feel safe telling them things that could otherwise be taken as a come on...
I sense that you have some hostilities, not only towards unmanly types, but non-working class types. As someone who grew up in a poor setting, let's just say there's a reason I aspired for greater than that.
But you should consider looking at some of your prejudices. It doesn't jive with modern western society. It's no different than an immigrant who comes to this country and refuses to assimilate. Cultures are maleable, and they change over time, and you seem stuck in the 18th century.
My hostilties are always the same. You can't be a normal MAN anymore without someone trying to "fem" you down or metro you out. Few men I know are different. Yes, it's true...MEN are still MEN out here.
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that means u dont spend much time in castro st SF. trust me they have a name for women that are obsessed with hanging around them, f-g hag". we gotem here too.
I wouldn't go to SF if someone gave me $1,000,000.
Well, think, patriarchy is based upon the hatred toward women and the desire to hurt, dominate, degrade, and take advantage of women, AND patriarchy has been the most common social system since the beginning of time.
And it's still all around!!!!
You don't just extricate patriarchal notions from this planet in one fell swoop. As a testament, look around, look at other countries, look at this country - patriarchy is still around us.
So I think since patriarchy set the tone from the beginning that women should be degraded and mistreated, and it was (and is) so ingrained, it's logical that there be men that hate women, and there are.
Some men reject patriarchy outright (there are a few out there, yes), even in the face of it with their friends. Some are patriarchists to the core, to the marrow, and you'll never take it out of them. And I think it doesn't matter if the man is straight or gay, some gay men are patriarchists and hate women intensely, and some are not, and love women.
I don't think it has much to do with their gender preference. I think it has to do with the (taught) hatred toward women.
Your post made me think of this quote:
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And I don't think the label "patriarchy" really describes our society or any other known society. Strictly, a patriarchy would consist of rule by all the fathers of the tribe, or clan, or nation. I know of no true patriarchy, in that sense, anywhere in history or anthropology... What we have in this country, and what most large nations in history have had, consists of rule by a few rich families. Historically, that system has the name "oligarchy."
I agree on being born bisexual. I have never felt any sort of sexual attraction to women. As far as everyone having the possibility of being bisexual - do you mean if someone held a gun to one's head?
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I disagree with the fact that everyone is born bisexual. Maybe some are, but not EVERYONE.
I do think that everyone has the possibility of being bisexual though.
Whatever happened to people wanting to hang out with people because they have stuff in common, get along, and are genuinely nice to be around?
I agree. Some women just don't have a problem with gay men. They don't feel threatened.
I think many thread titles are worded in ways that foster false notions. I don't know of any woman who is DRAWN to gay men. Yeah, right. Like a moth is drawn to light at night? If the topic is for women who are DRAWN to them, let one of those women post an answer.
As far as simple friendships go, I think many women simply do not harbor negative emotions towards gay men. I think some straight men feel uncomfortable (add repulsed, religious, and a whole slew of other reasons for aversion to gay men) with the whole notion of homosexuality and some men are so full of hate, ignorance and fear that they cannot use common sense to see that there are good, bad, and evil amongst all people regardless of race, sexual orientation, or SEC.
As for women hearing disrespectful remarks from gay men towards women, there is such a thing as personality disorders. You will find them in all sets of sexual orientations. Some people are hateful, catty, and simply unhappy deep inside and it comes out in various ways. If a person is making disrespectful remarks about women, it is THAT person and not a symptom of all men, gay or straight. How many women like to put men down in a joking way?
I don't have any gay friends who make asinie remarks about women because I don't hang out with people like that. I also don't hang out with twinks who can be catty beyond all reason.
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My hostilties are always the same. You can't be a normal MAN anymore without someone trying to "fem" you down or metro you out. Few men I know are different. Yes, it's true...MEN are still MEN out here.
I wouldn't go to SF if someone gave me $1,000,000.
Here is $0.01. Not all gays are swishy, effeminate, or stereotypes that you think make SF so worthy of your disgust. Many men in small town, rural, middle america are married to women, sit in church, work on cars, and live in all parts of USA. My god, you have more bi and gay men in small towns than you can shake a stick at. And most got married due to societal peer pressure. You DO know that?
I agree on being born bisexual. I have never felt any sort of sexual attraction to women. As far as everyone having the possibility of being bisexual - do you mean if someone held a gun to one's head?
I agree. How can anyone say EVERYONE this or that. How can they profess to know what is in anyone else's mind?
I agree. Some women just don't have a problem with gay men. They don't feel threatened.
I think many thread titles are worded in ways that foster false notions. I don't know of any woman who is DRAWN to gay men. Yeah, right. Like a moth is drawn to light at night? If the topic is for women who are DRAWN to them, let one of those women post an answer.
As far as simple friendships go, I think many women simply do not harbor negative emotions towards gay men. I think some straight men feel uncomfortable (add repulsed, religious, and a whole slew of other reasons for aversion to gay men) with the whole notion of homosexuality and some men are so full of hate, ignorance and fear that they cannot use common sense to see that there are good, bad, and evil amongst all people regardless of race, sexual orientation, or SEC.
As for women hearing disrespectful remarks from gay men towards women, there is such a thing as personality disorders. You will find them in all sets of sexual orientations. Some people are hateful, catty, and simply unhappy deep inside and it comes out in various ways. If a person is making disrespectful remarks about women, it is THAT person and not a symptom of all men, gay or straight. How many women like to put men down in a joking way?
I don't have any gay friends who make asinie remarks about women because I don't hang out with people like that. I also don't hang out with twinks who can be catty beyond all reason.
Here is $0.01. Not all gays are swishy, effeminate, or stereotypes that you think make SF so worthy of your disgust. Many men in small town, rural, middle america are married to women, sit in church, work on cars, and live in all parts of USA. My god, you have more bi and gay men in small towns than you can shake a stick at. And most got married due to societal peer pressure. You DO know that?
Negative!! Even if you are/were you sure don't talk about it. Remember, this is THE HEART. We keep the coo-coos on the coasts somewhat straight and balanced. A gay man walks into a bar and acts that way, it's like a one legged man in an *** kicking contest. Straight up! People around here don't like that sort of thing. Didn't you get the memo? Thus also proves my theory that you are NOT born with it. You're coaxed and brainwashed.
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Yeah, right. Like a moth is drawn to light at night? If the topic is for women who are DRAWN to them, let one of those women post an answer. 
