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Whipper. How's your thing with the gal at work going, btw?
It's complicated. To me at least. I don't think she's interested "in that way" but I don't really know anything for certain. It's crazy though, because I invited her to do something that one time, she agreed, and then when I tried to set it up? No response. So, I thought ok, had a little ity party for myself, decided it wasn't worth getting all depressed over, and went to work the next day like who cares. Weve been getting along great, real friendly and everything. THEN, she invited me to go and do something this weekend { much to my surprise } Like the last time, when I tried to get a hold of her to find out the specifics.......... nothing. Which, thats crazy cuz SHE invited ME out of the blue. Who knows.....
I quit caring a lot about it though. I tried, which is more than I would have done a couple years ago, so no regrets. Something else thats crazy is she shares a cell phone with her roomate because she said sh'e "not real big on cell phones" which I find hard to believe in this day and age, but I did find out she didn't have her own so..... Maybe thats the reason for the no response??? And the way I see it, she has my number to so if she really wanted me to go that bad, she'd have contacted me. I don't want to have to go through a gatekeeper either, i've been outa middle school for many years now, lol. Like I said, I tried, so no regrets. I'm not wondering "what if"
Just out of my own curiosity, and I'm sure you have answered somewhere in this thread already { too lazy to read the entire thing } did you cntact any of these guys? Are you going to go on a date with any of them?
Noooo. That's actually the reason I got their number, I didn't want to give them the wrong number and I figured if I took theirs they wouldn't bother me.
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Originally Posted by ChessieMom
What they^^ said.
A guy that is interested in you, other that for a quick tap, will take the time to find out more about you, and make sure that he knows how to find you again.
That's kind of what I thought. They probably weren't interested in anything besides 'watching a movie'.
Great post. Back in my day (and I'm not that old), men were men. These guys are ruining it for the rest of us. Why should women respect men if they'll take this kind of stuff and still try to go out with her? Sad to hear that women can get away with this kind of behavior (and glad that it's not really your style).
Among some of the wealthy, there are people who are given the 'privilege' of paying for some girl's apartment, car, clothes, etc. In return, they get... Actually, I'm not sure what. Berated is definitely on the line, and kept at a distance.
I have definitely seen this at work, though this is clearly stupid. Mutual respect may be an old-fashioned ideal, but I can't imagine being in a relationship without it.
Among some of the wealthy, there are people who are given the 'privilege' of paying for some girl's apartment, car, clothes, etc. In return, they get... Actually, I'm not sure what. Berated is definitely on the line, and kept at a distance.
I have definitely seen this at work, though this is clearly stupid. Mutual respect may be an old-fashioned ideal, but I can't imagine being in a relationship without it.
You know, I've seen this and many, many others like it over the years wherein the underlying suggestion is that some guy is being taken advantage of by some evil sexual harridan whose body is that of a model and whose soul is that of the blackest sexual wizardry.
In your very own example this dweeb, this douche, this wealthy individual who has the "privilege" of paying for said woman's apartment, car, clothes, et cetera, is MAKING A CHOICE. A personal choice, at that.
Whoever he is, he's not beholden to this woman by way of marriage is he? He's just paying in order to obtain sexual favours (at least, that's the notion I get per your description).
I could do that. I could go out and find a prostitute and pay for sex, and it would be neither more honest NOR dishonest by way of comparison, because it would be MY CHOICE to do so were I to perpetrate this act.
Neither I nor the hypothetical man in your scenario are being taken for any ride, being taken advantage of, being dragged over the tracks. NEITHER of us.
If he's wealthy (assuming you actually believe the claptrap you've spouted) then he's perfectly capable of shopping around for a suitable spouse or girlfriend rather than keeping someone who is nothing more than a long-term lady of the evening and an emotional vampire.
Can you read and understand those words? PERFECTLY CAPABLE. He has money, and I would presume his hard-earned paycheck came from some modicum of intelligence, so he's apparently not stupid.
Ergo, the question: WHAT is keeping him?
Answer: CHOICE.
No one is holding him captive. No one is saying he has to date this evil leech. No one but HIM, that is.
And if that's the case, then there's nothing whatsoever wrong with what either of them are doing. It's their business and a poor example to hold up of poor, beleagured menz held in sway by those cobra-like womenz-predators.
I'm not gonna blow sunshine. It IS entirely possible to meet an awful woman who will take advantage of one; then again it's entirely possible to meet an awful MAN who will do the same. This is NOT even remotely gender-specific and there are a whoooooooole lot of "poor fellers" who need to wake up and hold themselves accountable for their sorry socio-sexual lot rather than blaming all those evil b!+c#e$ out there who are the sexual equivalent of "da man, he keepin' us down!"
You know, I've seen this and many, many others like it over the years wherein the underlying suggestion is that some guy is being taken advantage of by some evil sexual harridan whose body is that of a model and whose soul is that of the blackest sexual wizardry.
In your very own example this dweeb, this douche, this wealthy individual who has the "privilege" of paying for said woman's apartment, car, clothes, et cetera, is MAKING A CHOICE. A personal choice, at that.
Whoever he is, he's not beholden to this woman by way of marriage is he? He's just paying in order to obtain sexual favours (at least, that's the notion I get per your description).
I could do that. I could go out and find a prostitute and pay for sex, and it would be neither more honest NOR dishonest by way of comparison, because it would be MY CHOICE to do so were I to perpetrate this act.
Neither I nor the hypothetical man in your scenario are being taken for any ride, being taken advantage of, being dragged over the tracks. NEITHER of us.
If he's wealthy (assuming you actually believe the claptrap you've spouted) then he's perfectly capable of shopping around for a suitable spouse or girlfriend rather than keeping someone who is nothing more than a long-term lady of the evening and an emotional vampire.
Can you read and understand those words? PERFECTLY CAPABLE. He has money, and I would presume his hard-earned paycheck came from some modicum of intelligence, so he's apparently not stupid.
Ergo, the question: WHAT is keeping him?
Answer: CHOICE.
No one is holding him captive. No one is saying he has to date this evil leech. No one but HIM, that is.
And if that's the case, then there's nothing whatsoever wrong with what either of them are doing. It's their business and a poor example to hold up of poor, beleagured menz held in sway by those cobra-like womenz-predators.
I'm not gonna blow sunshine. It IS entirely possible to meet an awful woman who will take advantage of one; then again it's entirely possible to meet an awful MAN who will do the same. This is NOT even remotely gender-specific and there are a whoooooooole lot of "poor fellers" who need to wake up and hold themselves accountable for their sorry socio-sexual lot rather than blaming all those evil b!+c#e$ out there who are the sexual equivalent of "da man, he keepin' us down!"
Ah! Now you see - What you're doing here is known as setting up a strawman fallacy. You're assigning some random meaning to what I had said that you then proceeded to tear apart. It's not especially relevant to the overarching point that I had made that these relationships aren't based upon mutual respect, which they clearly aren't.
Unless I'm mistaken - Are you aware you were clearly using a strawman fallacy in this argument, or was it deliberate? If it was deliberate, I should be able to tell by your response whether it's worth my time discussing this or not.
Ah! Now you see - What you're doing here is known as setting up a strawman fallacy. You're assigning some random meaning to what I had said that you then proceeded to tear apart. It's not especially relevant to the overarching point that I had made that these relationships aren't based upon mutual respect, which they clearly aren't.
Unless I'm mistaken - Are you aware you were clearly using a strawman fallacy in this argument, or was it deliberate? If it was deliberate, I should be able to tell by your response whether it's worth my time discussing this or not.
Are you aware that "logical fallacy" and "strawman" are popular Men's Rights terms? And I say that as an AVID anti-Feminist.
Tell ya what -- JUST so's my li'l ol' brain is clear on precisely what you meant by that particular post to which I responded, WHAT PRECISELY were you saying? No hints, no beating around the bush, no what-if's -- SAY it, and I'll respond to that just as forthrightly.
So, I mentioned in a few threads that this weekend I was going to try to be a 'mean girl' and just see what happened. So, I put on my big girl jeans (as well as a TON of makeup...yick) and went out on the town.
I got 6 phone numbers. SIX FREAKING PHONE NUMBERS. I actually got in an argument with some guy, poured a gin and tonic on him and he asked me out. He also bought me another gin and tonic.
I tripped someone and laughed at him, he gave me a hug and asked if I wanted to hang out sometime.
I told some guy his car sounded lame and that maybe he should be hitting on men instead of women (it hurt me to say this, to be honest ) and rolled my eyes. No smile, dead serious. He laughed and asked if I wanted to go for a drive sometime.
I TOLD 3 guys to buy me drinks. One said no, the others did with no hesitation. I didn't even say thank you, got my drink and walked away. One of them followed me around asking me out until I left.
A few other things happened, but those were the biggies.
Maybe I should just start acting mean to get dates. I had one of them write his number on a cocktail napkin, I looked at it, said I changed my mind and tore it up. He proceeded to try and give me his business card.
Wow. I'm just stunned. It took a lot out of me to act this way (I'm never mean unless provoked) so I don't plan on doing it again, but it still shocked me.
But hey, at least I can't say I've never been hit on anymore
Great that you got so many numbers, just shows that are a bunch of losers out there. I may have my hangups, but I will not let anyone disrespect me nor will I allow it just to get into your pants. I CANNOT STAND guys like this and I consider them weak and pathetic.
Hmm, guy number 1, first I wouldn't even attempt to argue with you, if you poured a drink on me, I would tell security so they could have escorted you out.
Guy #2, ok this can be innocent, this gets a pass. He probably didn't know you tripped him.
For guy #3, If you said the car thing to me, omg that's just great. I inherited my car because my mom died. Yeah, would love to see someone's face when I said that. The I would see how you would react, would you show remorse or be nice afterwards? If not, forget it.
Guy #4-5, I would NOT buy you a drink, at the very least, I would ask that you buy me one first. Guys that do that in hopes that girls will spend time with them are spineless and weak.
I hope this experiment does not give the wrong impression that men like mean women because I don't. A little feisty, yes, but just *****y, I don't think so.
OP if you spilled a drink on me, I would be so mad, holy ****, I wouldn't know how to control myself
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It's crazy though, because I invited her to do something that one time, she agreed, and then when I tried to set it up? No response. So, I thought ok, had a little ity party for myself, decided it wasn't worth getting all depressed over, and went to work the next day like who cares. Weve been getting along great, real friendly and everything. THEN, she invited me to go and do something this weekend { much to my surprise } Like the last time, when I tried to get a hold of her to find out the specifics.......... nothing. Which, thats crazy cuz SHE invited ME out of the blue. Who knows.....
) and rolled my eyes. No smile, dead serious. He laughed and asked if I wanted to go for a drive sometime.
