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Doubtful. If you've had these experiences personally, i'm sorry to hear. But usually, there are only 3 reasons a man will reject a woman: If he does not find her physically attractive; if he does not think she is a nice person; or if he does not think they have anything in common. Barring those three things, men aren't picky about much else. Although I'm sure there are exceptions.
Sorry, but that's bull
Men reject women for very odd reasons and especially if they think their ego could be harmed in any way. Most guys will not date a woman who knows more about 'manly' things than he does.
Take female sports, many of the pro female track athletes are angry that the male pro athletes make far more money then they do. The thing is, none of the women would take in consideration that the males run sub 9 seconds in the 100m opposed to their 11 second 100m sprint.
It has more to do with the amount of revenue generated than their comparative times.
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In other words, men today not only have to work outside the home and maintain their traditional gender role, but they have to come home and clean, change diapers, and cook meals because either their women are at work, or their wives flat out refuse to do anything but watch TV and eat ice cream.
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It's a discussion forum. People discuss their personal experience, and that of people they know.
I know, shocker.
And I noted that her citation was personal experience, which is not as strong as, say, actual data.
Actually, I probably would be right now if I had sued the place I worked in my early 20s. I was passed over for a promotion specifically because I was a woman, and that's exactly what the regional manager told me. I also found out after I had quit and moved on that I was getting paid MUCH less than the men I was managing.
How did you find out?
I believe you, I'm truly curious and asking because most stories I hear and read about people getting paid less, always seem to have the pattern of discovery after the person is no longer with the company. I've never known how much other people made at the jobs I worked, unless individuals shared their salary amounts, which was only common with peers in high school jobs.
It's similar to my curiosity of people who don't get hired, yet knows who received the position and says they either lost it to an affirmative action recipient (in the case of a non-minority) or was discriminated against (in the case of a minority). I wonder how they find out if they don't work there and don't know anyone who does.
Sex services, one would hope . Maid and chef services?? I'm not married but if i was, i would never make my spouse pick up after me. People need to be a grown adult and clean up after themselves. Household chores should be split 50-50. It's not 1955 anymore.
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Welcome, Chrisv! Welcome, indeed! Don't hesitate to dive right in and add your voice to the cacaphony of opinions, midguided, and otherwise.
A man earning a living is DIFFERENT then a woman earning a living because the standards that men have to achieve, and constantly achieve, is set much higher in addition to the fact that we have no other person to fall back to when something goes wrong. For example, a man can't say, "well, I'm going to drop out of Law school but I know Sally will marry and take care of me anyway."
Take female sports, many of the pro female track athletes are angry that the male pro athletes make far more money then they do. The thing is, none of the women would take in consideration that the males run sub 9 seconds in the 100m opposed to their 11 second 100m sprint.
It's not different to me as I don't see most guys achieving these standards that are set as most guys don't make enough to live on a single-income and only a miniscule minority (8%) of households are male sole earners.
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In 2013, more men are working longer hours then men in the past because they are married to women who do not cook, clean, or take care of the kids.
In other words, men today not only have to work outside the home and maintain their traditional gender role, but they have to come home and clean, change diapers, and cook meals because either their women are at work, or their wives flat out refuse to do anything but watch TV and eat ice cream.
While less women know how to cook than previous generation when it comes to cooking, cleaning, and childcare the traditional gender role still applies as in most household women are the ones doing most of that. It's completely false to portray it as if men are generally working and coming home to while their wives do nothing.
HA, you're joking, right??? The women I know in relationships do ALL of that, plus work while their 'man' sits on his butt playing xbox or watching sports. In my last relationship I paid most of the bills, cleaned, cooked, went to school full time AND worked full time. You wanna know what he did? He played tennis, hung out with his friends and would occasionally put in a full time week.
"By day, Dan Mulvenon works full time as vice president of public relations for a cable TV cooperative. By night, he's often doing housework — maybe shopping for groceries, paying the bills, vacuuming or running errands near his Olathe, Kan., home.
"It's only fair, he says. When his sons, now 20 and 16, were younger, Mulvenon was on the road a lot for work and his wife did virtually all of the housework. Now, Mulvenon's wife works a stressful job as a trauma case manager in a major Kansas City hospital, and she's getting a master's degree. So the couple shares chores."
"I think turnabout is fair play," said Mulvenon, 48, who doesn't consider himself heroic for sharing housework. "I talk to the neighbors or people at work, and I don't think I do substantially more [than other men do]. It's part of the cultural shift. Men understand it just takes more cooperation to get these things done."
Statistically, Mulvenon is right on. Men are doing more around the house".
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Most men in my field are much, MUCH older than I am. Unfortunately, it's kind of a dying field Plus, mechanics in general are horribly misogynistic and disgusting. I'd LOVE to be able to find a decent mechanic guy, but it doesn't look like it'll be happening anytime soon. I'm going to be taking some refresher engineering classes before applying to grad school so I'm hoping to meet some like minded men there
I sincerely wish you the best of luck. You really do seem like a cool chick.. I mean, I can't believe I could take you with me to a aviation museum and we could both drool over an A-12/SR-71 together. You're almost too good to be true.
Because they are just thinking ''Oh he loves me, I know he does...he'll ask me one day'' and that's it for them. It's not logic but rather daydreaming.
I can imagine if everyone's goals and expectations were base on pure emotions and no common sense, logic nor rules/boundaries?
And sadly they are the ones who will get the short end of the stick. They will pay when he leaves them for another woman.
I am very marriage minded because I enjoy the idea of falling in love with my soul mate, and sharing that bond with her, but honestly when I think about it I have no reason to be interested in marriage. Every example of marriage that I have known in my life ended in disaster. Both of my parents were divorced several times each, 2 brothers and a sister have all been divorced. My youngest brothers marriage ended after only 1 year. None of these divorces ended in any detriment to my parents or siblings. It didn't ruin them financially. None of my siblings pay alimony. But still I wonder what is wrong with me because I am pretty die hard about making that commitment and everyone I love has failed at it
This sux. Now that you've moved on, could you sue?
Back to topic: I don't know why men wouldn't be marriage-minded. They get the best deal out of it: a 2nd income, and maid/sex/chef services as well. This is one reason why more women are choosing to stay single these days.
Hint: That "best deal" has a 50% chance of being temporary with a big scary cliff at the end of the road.
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the problem is not marriage, the problem is the risk of divorce. That's what most people mean when they say "marriage doesn't benefit men". Outside of the "milk for free" crowd, I'm sure many of them would change their opinions on marriage if the risks of divorce evaporated overnight.
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. Maid and chef services?? I'm not married but if i was, i would never make my spouse pick up after me. People need to be a grown adult and clean up after themselves. Household chores should be split 50-50. It's not 1955 anymore.
While less women know how to cook than previous generation when it comes to cooking, cleaning, and childcare the traditional gender role still applies as in most household women are the ones doing most of that. It's completely false to portray it as if men are generally working and coming home to while their wives do nothing.
Plus, mechanics in general are horribly misogynistic and disgusting. I'd LOVE to be able to find a decent mechanic guy, but it doesn't look like it'll be happening anytime soon. I'm going to be taking some refresher engineering classes before applying to grad school so I'm hoping to meet some like minded men there 
