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Yes, women are generally more selective than men, this is where the "men will fu*k anything" theory comes from. Prejudice against homosexuality is a character flaw? (I am not) I think it's a religious thing. All of this is for another thread though.
Well... it's an amoral issue in biology. But so is rape, killing, infanticide, and pedophilia.
Ethics and morals are dealt with by philosophy and religion. Theology being described by some as "religious philosophy." But there are some people categorized as religious philosophers (e.g. C.S. Lewis) that aren't theologians.
So, you have a branch of theology called moral theology.
New Atheists (they're often criticized by some atheists as being dogmatic and inquisitional like religions) with brilliant minds like philosopher of biology Daniel Dennette would suggest we can turn the theory of evolution into a whole universal philosophy covering morals or ethics and all, to replace religion.
Guys being willing to have sex more readily doesn't prove that guys are less discriminating as you're overlooking:
- gals generally have a lower sex drive
- gals are likely more vulnerable to being raped by a guy than a guy is to being raped by a gal
- there is a sexual double standard where gals are sluts and guys are studs.
More likely the point is gals found the approach insulting/degrading like being treated like sexual object, gals had some societal induced shame about 'giving it up' to a guy 'too quickly' or without a relationship, or gals were cautious about their safety.
If your logic is being more willing to do something = less discriminating then it's contradictory as there will be cases where one gender is more willing than the other such as gals are likely more willing to be in a sexless relationship than guys which means in your logic gals are less discriminating.
I was using the terms less discriminating to mean less selective. As lastwomanstanding picked up.
But selection is just another way of saying discrimination in this case. Evolution just doesn't occur through Natural Selection but through Sexual Selection as well. And Sexual Selection requires you discriminate against one type in favor of another type. Otherwise... how is it the gay man doesn't pick the woman that is infatuated with him to marry but he picks the guy that is infatuated with him? Or the NFL player that does not pick the obese woman weighing 300 pounds but instead some woman that looks like Halle Berry? That's what I mean.
I was arguing this with a friend earlier and using it as yet another excuse as to why I'm single, but I think it's the best excuse. It seems like girls like to brag to their friends about what their boyfriend has going for them. In my case I don't really have much going for me, I don't make six figures and have some cool job, I'm not a musician, I'm not a cop or a fighter.
Anyone agree?
Disagree.
What I found worthwhile in my partners has been the connection I felt (we felt, at the time), what I thought & felt towards the person, how we'd try to be there for each other.
Personal qualities & the experience of the relationship are what matter to me, not some sort of ephemeral arbitrary external notoriety ("boasting points"). My life is not a press release.
I said women are the greater discrimnators of the two sexes. I did not say men don't discriminate.
Let me put it this way. One or more studies have found a random female stranger can approach a man in a bar, offer to give him oral sex, and he is likely (meaning not all men will but most will) to agree. With the rolls reversed it is found almost no woman will ever accept. In fact, she is likely to be highly offended and put off. Point being, men are less discriminating.
I don't think the woman is rejecting because of roles, it's most likely because of safety. No telling what strange things can happen in a bar environment, with drugs and alcohol being common there.
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The Sexual Selection theory likes to explain this as "Eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap." And there is truth in that. The physical costs of pregnancy are disproportionately borne by the female. There is little to no cost carried by the male.
Child support.
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So, how this might work in real life is 3 women are in a bar, and 2 men approach the women. Of the 3 women 1 is extremely physically attractive, 1 is average, and 1 is "fat." At least 1 if not both of the men will pay eye attention and conversation to the gorgeous woman first and foremost. Selection has already begun (for both the males and females in both directions). And ultimately, if the gorgeous woman chooses (females enjoy the privilege of choice--the exception being alpha males like Rock Stars etc.) 1 of the guys, the other guy will try to persuade 1 of the remaining 2 women to pick him. Likely he will target the average looking woman. However, if she disses him, and the "fat" woman whispers in his ear she'll go back to his place and provide him oral sex, he is likely not going to hesitate to take her up on the offer. He will likely have sex with her in other ways if she is willing too.
That isn't making a choice. That is settling, due to being desperate.
We all have the privilege of choice. The men approaching are also making a choice. They don't have to go out with anybody they don't want to.
I don't think the woman is rejecting because of roles, it's most likely because of safety. No telling what strange things can happen in a bar environment, with drugs and alcohol being common there.
Child support.
That isn't making a choice. That is settling, due to being desperate.
We all have the privilege of choice. The men approaching are also making a choice. They don't have to go out with anybody they don't want to.
Better to settle than go home to internet porn, and if she keeps giving him oral sex then he may be better off than the guy who got the "hot chick". She may even do advanced oral.
I was arguing this with a friend earlier and using it as yet another excuse as to why I'm single, but I think it's the best excuse. It seems like girls like to brag to their friends about what their boyfriend has going for them. In my case I don't really have much going for me, I don't make six figures and have some cool job, I'm not a musician, I'm not a cop or a fighter.
Anyone agree?
In a status obsessed society, YES. Look around you, people shop at branded stores, drive luxury vehicles paying a premium for them, spend a fortune of diamond rings, etc etc all because they can show their friends and the people around them what they can afford. A boyfriend is a status symbol as well for a lot of people, if you are earning 6 figures, driving a luxury car, a hot shot lawyer, etc etc all those are strong points for women to brag around their friends. I am not saying all the women are this way but in our status obsessed society where you have to conform to societal norms and expectations, plenty of women are this way.
If you got none of the above and are still very good looking you can get away with it. If you are average looking or ugly, no one cares about you. Sorry but that's the truth, most women are status obsessed and won't touch someone that doesn't meet their criteria of success with a barge pole, love is just an after thought.
That isn't making a choice. That is settling, due to being desperate.
We all have the privilege of choice. The men approaching are also making a choice. They don't have to go out with anybody they don't want to.
I'm not going to argue with you with the choice thing because you are right that we all do--no matter our sex--make choices with respects to pursuing or accepting someone as a mate.
But as a rule of thumb females are the ones that sit back and choose between competing males. And males are the one's that do the pursuing and competing. Even if you read some of the initial responses in this thread by female posters you would see they are well aware of this privileged position they enjoy. Their remarks did not usually focus on their need to hunt down and win a man over, but rather they would say things like, "I would not choose a man that brought X complaint." I paraphrase.
The good news for men is that we do not have it as hard as the male Gorillas. A lot of them will end up with no mate and no sex for their whole lives. Silverbacks will have a monopoly on the women with large harems. We have it easier than male Chimpanzees too because we don't have to violently battle each other as often over a single female.
But we male human's have it harder than male bonobos. The female bonobos routinely give sex to "loser" males. And the bonobos are even more peaceful than humans.
I posted this documentary in a different thread. If you're not a Black-American you probably are not aware this documentary was created in response to an article some years ago called Blame it on Rio. The article was about Black-American men increasingly vacationing in Brazil to escape both the United States of America and Black-American women, the both of which quite a number of Black-American men regard as not valuing them as men.
You'll notice the ethnic Black-American women are keenly aware of social status and money and suggest they prefer to be alone than date or marry a black man that is a plumber. That is not their direct words but I know the culture and I know what they're beating around the bush at.
So, where the guy may "settle" for the "fat" woman the black woman with a degree and working in profession making good money, would rather be alone and using her *****. (Or... even though she won't publicly admit it, she'll prefer to date a drug dealer, because he has social status and money the black plumber does not have.)
I'm not going to argue with you with the choice thing because you are right that we all do--no matter our sex--make choices with respects to pursuing or accepting someone as a mate.
But as a rule of thumb females are the ones that sit back and choose between competing males. And males are the one's that do the pursuing and competing. Even if you read some of the initial responses in this thread by female posters you would see they are well aware of this privileged position they enjoy. Their remarks did not usually focus on their need to hunt down and win a man over, but rather they would say things like, "I would not choose a man that brought X complaint." I paraphrase.
The good news for men is that we do not have it as hard as the male Gorillas. A lot of them will end up with no mate and no sex for their whole lives. Silverbacks will have a monopoly on the women with large harems. We have it easier than male Chimpanzees too because we don't have to violently battle each other as often over a single female.
But we male human's have it harder than male bonobos. The female bonobos routinely give sex to "loser" males. And the bonobos are even more peaceful than humans.
I posted this documentary in a different thread. If you're not a Black-American you probably are not aware this documentary was created in response to an article some years ago called Blame it on Rio. The article was about Black-American men increasingly vacationing in Brazil to escape both the United States of America and Black-American women, the both of which quite a number of Black-American men regard as not valuing them as men.
You'll notice the ethnic Black-American women are keenly aware of social status and money and suggest they prefer to be alone than date or marry a black man that is a plumber. That is not their direct words but I know the culture and I know what they're beating around the bush at.
So, where the guy may "settle" for the "fat" woman the black woman with a degree and working in profession making good money, would rather be alone and using her *****. (Or... even though she won't publicly admit it, she'll prefer to date a drug dealer, because he has social status and money the black plumber does not have.)
Dudes usually brag to their friends about how hot their girlfriend is lol so it's only normal some women will brag to their friends about other stuff.
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