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This is why is a stupid term. Nobody can MAKE you feel ashamed of your behavior. You either do or you don't.
The whole "shame" conversation makes no sense to me. What is anyone on this thread doing that is directing shame at anyone? How does one think a behavior is wrong appropriately then? And since when is everyone entitled to agreement just because they "disagree"?
[quote=rego00123;42933169]I don't agree with him. I think he is an ass...but somehow on this board having anything to say against something suddenly makes you "one of them"
I take umbrage with the "everyone join hands and form a circle to counter this great evil" attitude.
You're not trying to stop hilter or counter a movement that is in danger of ruining your way of life or protect an entire society, You're just reveling that someone got what you felt they deserved.
You're someone looking to shame someone that you feel is deserving of shame. You can justify it however you like and go to any exteme you need to to feel validated with your prerogative, but it is what it is...THAT is the issue I was speaking to in my post. The intent of the thread.
When I used the term "shame" this was the context I was intending it to be used. Not as a blanket statement towards the whole.
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It's a dangerous way to approach dealing with things we do not approve of.
WHAT is? What is anyone doing besides commenting on the merit of the topic? What does someone DO to perform this shaming of which you speak?
But at the same time, some (#notall) of the followers of guys like Roosh actually do dangerous things. They make public death and rape threats to women who speak or write against their movement; they publish detractors's home addresses and phone numbers for harassment purposes; they hack into computers to find private information, etc. I suppose you could say that two wrongs don't make a right, but some of these manosphere guys shouldn't just be allowed to fester quietly online just because "boys will be boys" and "free speech" and all that.
The ideals and the actions are two related but separate things.
People should be held accountable for the crimes they commit, I am not arguing that at all.
He's an artist alright... not a PUA but a scam artist. I wonder how many lives he's ruined peddling hate and hogwash. I wonder how many young men who wanted love went to him and had their hearts blackened and minds twisted by his "religion of hate." And it's all based on lies it seems. It's what I've been saying all along. These men who peddle this crap, in the end, hurt the men they say they are trying to help. Men like this joker profit off other's misery and keep their victims in that misery so they can keep pimping them for money (and adoration). They try to portray women as the enemy when the truth is, they are a bigger enemy to their "brethren."
I don't agree with him. I think he is an ass...but somehow on this board having anything to say against something suddenly makes you "one of them"
I take umbrage with the "everyone join hands and form a circle to counter this great evil" attitude.
You're not trying to stop hilter or counter a movement that is in danger of ruining your way of life or protect an entire society, You're just reveling that someone got what you felt they deserved.
You're someone looking to shame someone that you feel is deserving of shame. You can justify it however you like and go to any exteme you need to to feel validated with your prerogative, but it is what it is...THAT is the issue I was speaking to in my post. The intent of the thread.
When I used the term "shame" this was the context I was intending it to be used. Not as a blanket statement towards the whole.
It's a dangerous way to approach dealing with things we do not approve of.
The intent of the thread, as explained by me, the OP:
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Originally Posted by JasperJade
In response to no one in particular, my intent here was to note how this one jerk out in the manosphere, known for his absolutely rotten thinking on relationships and women, turns out to be far less the king of all that is masculine and far more the epitome of a tantrum-throwing social misfit incapable of cutting the apron strings and living on his own.
Is he representative of an entire movement? Probably not. But he attracts the lost and weak-minded and like any maniacal sociopath who really needs to be sequestered from society, has the potential to warp the minds of the impressionable.
It is good that so many came out and called him exactly what he is. Will there be a stubborn subset of his followers who will claim there is nothing wrong with him? Sure.
And they need to be deprogrammed.
It is NEVER right to promote atrocity against any group according to age, sex, race, or religion. He is a voice of hate speech. Cast your lot with him, and you are just as much a bottom-feeding scuzzbucket as he is. Get help, before you become the next Elliott Rodger.
I stand by what I say. He is deserving of shame. There is no way it is unreasonable or dangerous to say so, or to use shaming in his situation. This is not some kind of generic disapproval. The man is fomenting violence against women. Maybe you don't deem that an atrocity, but I do. Maybe you don't see that as threatening, but I do. Remember, he's talking about your daughter, sister, wife, or mother, as well. But if you need to do some perspective-taking, go watch the Gimp scene in Pulp Fiction and then tell me how you would feel if a man advocated the rape of other men. Somehow, I doubt you'd take to that kindly. No one in his or her right mind would.
But I'll go one further. Let's go with the SSS--shame, scorn, and shunning. If I could put that jackarse on a desert island with the rest of his circle jerk of social misfits, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
If somebody even partially subscribed to this guy's beliefs, I would very quickly separate myself from him. I'd feel dirty even having him as an acquaintance. Because not only is the guy a predatory slime ball, but he's also a poseur who cannot be trusted in even the most elementary ways. If you guys out there are wanting to play the PUA card for even a nanosecond, here's what I have to say about that:
- If you somehow manage to be successful with these techniques, then you aren't having sex with someone. You are masturbating in a woman's body.
- If you have a hard time meeting women without these techniques, it has nothing to do with women. It means you are an uninteresting person.
- If you are willing to compromise your ethics in how you treat others in order to get laid, it means that you are a desperate individual, not a player. You're the equivalent of a man who has spent three days in the desert without a drop to drink.
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Want to actually meet women and enjoy a fulfilling sex life? Let's start with the fundamentals.
- A desirable man knows how to talk to a woman. He looks her in the eyes, listens, and responds to what she says. He does not vomit out a bunch of lines as if he were a macaw.
- A desirable man knows that every woman he talks to isn't a potential bedmate, chiefly because he's a lot more selective than that.
- A desirable man is attractive because of his strengths, not because of his manipulations and sneakiness.
- A desirable man cares about his partner's well-being and fun as much as his own.
- A desirable man is honest and respectful, and he will never run out of road. Eventually a PUA has to leave town.
- Being honest and respectful doesn't mean being a doormat, by the way. You are honest and respectful, so you expect the same in return.
The raw video is even better, but NSFW because of language. And of course, once he's behind a door, that's when he decides to be a big man and flip people off.
But I'll go one further. Let's go with the SSS--shame, scorn, and shunning. If I could put that jackarse on a desert island with the rest of his circle jerk of social misfits, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
So you support rape shaming, but not slutshaming? Basically, you think that we should shame people based on your ideological beliefs.
Lots of hypocrisy there. Either we shame everyone for everything that prevents a productive society or we shame no one.
If Roosh believes that rape is a good thing, he is absolutely entitled to that belief, so long as he doesn't break the law and commit and actual rape.
If he wants to have meetups supporting rape, again, he has not broken any laws. So he should be able to do so.
Being an open advocate against something unproductive to society, and being an advocate for the violation of personal rights seem like two different conversations to me.
A woman having consensual sex with men harms no one.
A man raping women harms women.
Do you really not know the difference between rape and consensual sex? Rape is a violent crime. Having consensual sex is not.
That you are questioning this is actually pretty pathetic.
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